That is a tricky one. Also, I would imagine the time could vary widely. How vague can you be? As in this takes 3 days or a week, a month, while not indicating how many hours (or minutes) a day that would involve.
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Laura - Jun 13, 2014 9:12:37 am PDT #1151 of 1416
Our wings are not tired.
megan walker - Jun 13, 2014 9:23:16 am PDT #1152 of 1416
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Yeah, both asked specifically for "hours to complete" specific tasks which is why I bristled.
On my book project, besides being impossible to estimate in most cases, I really think it's ridiculous because knowing how many hours something takes doesn't really help us advance the schedule if we don't know what else someone has on their plate.
For my other project, I need to report time spent after the fact, which raises other questions. Are they looking to cut what they pay editors? Are they look for fast editors? It could be a good or bad sign, I just have no idea why we need to do these reports (which also have notes on the state of articles, etc.)
Laura - Jun 13, 2014 9:32:28 am PDT #1153 of 1416
Our wings are not tired.
Ick, I'm afraid I have to wait for someone with more experience with this request. It would make me bristle too.
megan walker - Jun 13, 2014 9:34:46 am PDT #1154 of 1416
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Basically, I'd like to tell my PM that I understand why he asked for this, but I think it is rather unusual (unfair?) to ask for this information on a fixed-bid project and we might get more useful information if we instead asked about tightening up turnaround times or stacking assignments.
I should note that he is under the gun re the schedule, not me. My job as lead editor is not on the spreadsheet, and, while, I suppose he expects me to fill out the part for my DE tasks I'm not really concerned about that for myself.
megan walker - Jun 13, 2014 9:36:37 am PDT #1155 of 1416
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Mostly, my gut instinct is: You want my hours? Then pay me hourly. Except not really because hourly pay in publishing sucks.
Pix - Jun 13, 2014 9:54:10 am PDT #1156 of 1416
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I say go with your gut on this one; it's not an hourly project.
Dana - Jun 13, 2014 9:54:30 am PDT #1157 of 1416
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Can you give a range?
meara - Jun 13, 2014 9:54:56 am PDT #1158 of 1416
How specific is the answer? I mean, do you have to put numbers in a spreadsheet and send it back, right now, or can you reply with things like "Generally a book takes me between 30 and 120 hours, spread over two weeks" or something?
NoiseDesign - Jun 13, 2014 10:08:41 am PDT #1159 of 1416
Our wings are not tired
I assume you are getting paid on a 1099 on these projects. If that is the case then the person contracting you can be dancing in some difficult waters regarding keeping you as in IC as opposed to an employee. Basically if you are an IC then the person hiring you is restricted in defining your work hours, providing equipment, things like that otherwise they risk having you reclassified as an employee.
megan walker - Jun 13, 2014 10:17:28 am PDT #1160 of 1416
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Can you give a range?
Nope. It lists out tasks and asks for hours.
So, for the writers, it's 1) how many hours does it take to write the first draft of a chapter and 2) how many hours to revise? Which is really total bullshit because they are already on a 12-day turnover schedule, which is crazy short for a textbook chapter.
For the development editors, he wants hours for each DE pass (there are three, one big one, and then two smaller ones after review/revision rounds).
"Generally a book takes me between 30 and 120 hours, spread over two weeks" or something?
Essentially that is what we are asking because we have set scheduling times for tasks, which, except for editors, were wildly underestimated at the beginning of this project (I was not lead editor at the time). I think this may be the problem he's getting at since more than one content leads hasn't been able to meet their schedule at all.