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Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Apr 16, 2011 9:24:52 am PDT #3604 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Do other media organizations air ads like this? or refuse to air them?

Salon removed an anti-vax piece from its archives. That's the only think I know in regards to this subject.

It's not going to make them autistic, but it is stressful and can make them feel like shit. If an alternate schedule mitigates that where is the harm?

I'm unsure that doctors/medical professionals/communicable disease researchers say there is any harm in spreading out vaccinations. I think it's mostly done in combination for convenience (one trip versus several trips where they will be stressed out and feel shitty each time).


Allyson - Apr 16, 2011 9:27:28 am PDT #3605 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

At any rate, "too much, too soon" is a feeling no based in any sort of evidence. I mean, what does that even mean? Too much not going to get measles?


sarameg - Apr 16, 2011 9:30:36 am PDT #3606 of 30001

I washed the door, taped up the trim and epoxied the holes in it. Going to attempt a swim in a bit and come back and prime, then hopefully, paint, the inside of the door. Can't do anything about the exterior until tomorrow. It's bright cerulean, but when I google it, the color is all wrong on my monitor. It matches the blue in a couple of pieces of art I have in the kitchen.

I really think I'm trying to do too much this weekend.


-t - Apr 16, 2011 9:35:34 am PDT #3607 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I love the idea of a bright door, sarameg, especially if it picks up a color from your art. Now I want to paint my back door a brighter red (it's sort of a brick red, now, and peeling and chipping and grungy looking), but I probably won't get to that for quite a while


Jessica - Apr 16, 2011 9:37:43 am PDT #3608 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If an alternate schedule mitigates that where is the harm?

The alternate schedule involves more shots and more doctor's visits than the CDC-approved schedule. It's not less stressful for the kid. Nor are the side effects from individual shots lessened.

The harm is that undervaccinated children are at risk for preventable diseases while their parents are pretending to be experts in immunology. The harm is children dying of measles.

[eta: In practice, parents who would like to choose the Dr Sears schedule frequently wind up foregoing certain vaccines altogether because, for example, the MMR is now only available bundled - you can't split them up because the manufacturers no longer make them that way. So parents just skip those entirely, and you wind up with situations like San Diego in 2008.]


Allyson - Apr 16, 2011 9:43:50 am PDT #3609 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I didn't know that about the MMR, Jessica. Thanks!

Kids who aren't vaccinated depend on other kids to be vaccinated for herd immunity. And the unvaccinated kids then spread disease to people who aren't vaccinated. It's like the Ayn Rand school of medicine.


Kat - Apr 16, 2011 9:48:33 am PDT #3610 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

The harm is that undervaccinated children are at risk for preventable diseases while their parents are pretending to be experts in immunology. The harm is children dying of measles.

The other harm is that kids who are vaccinated do not automatically skip the disease. So if Bethany doesn't have her vaccines and gets mumps, Noah can still get them from her, even though he has had his vaccines. (Though the likelihood is dramatically decreased and in instances where a vaccinated child does get the disease, it's often less virulent).

Spreading them out also leaves windows, and rather large gaps, for when your kid has no vaccination for a particular disease. Sears has shown no proof that his vaccine schedule is better. It's all feel-good nonsense.

In our district, starting the fall, all kids from 4th grade on need to prove that they have an updated Tdap. It's one of the only times after a kid is already enrolled that I've ever seen our district deal with whether or not a kid's vax's are up-to-date. Good on them, I say.


Jesse - Apr 16, 2011 9:50:38 am PDT #3611 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The alternate schedule involves more shots and more doctor's visits than the CDC-approved schedule. It's not less stressful for the kid

This is the part I've never been able to understand -- if you think there's a medical reason, I just think you're wrong, but if you think there's a trauma reason, I can't see how spreading them isn't out MORE traumatic?

I just had a successful shopping trip -- picking over the carcass of an about-to-close Border's, and getting a new office sweater at Lord & Taylor that was marked down to $30 on the tag, but I ended up getting for $12. And then I resisted buying expensive makeup just to get the gift-with-purchase, but I'm still considering it.


Allyson - Apr 16, 2011 9:50:52 am PDT #3612 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Does LA Unified require vaccines, Kat?


Kat - Apr 16, 2011 9:52:13 am PDT #3613 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Yes. Or a waiver stating no vaccines due to religious stuff. A school in Mar Vista (which is between Culver City-ish and Venice) has a waiver rate that's over 60% in K-1.