Angel's lame. His hair goes straight up, and he's bloody stupid!

Buffybot ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2011 4:08:51 pm PDT #3497 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah they do.


sarameg - Apr 15, 2011 4:09:38 pm PDT #3498 of 30001

e_o, thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, not a Costco member and I'd need to try it on (I buy super tight for laps-32/6, not sure what size I'd be for fashion.)


sarameg - Apr 15, 2011 4:15:25 pm PDT #3499 of 30001

OK, so this weekend, I want to: patch and prime the door. Tomorrow, that and paint the inside, since it will be raining. Also probably clean the exterior side. Which I'll prime and hopefully paint Sunday. And do laundry. And do a round of vacuuming and maybe carpet clean. And, of course, get 4+ miles of swimming in.

Even having done my regular shopping earlier this week, I still have to go to the hardware store to muck with paint and supplies tomorrow morning. Oh, and I need to get a doorstop. And market first.

I may be being overly ambitious.


Strega - Apr 15, 2011 4:22:21 pm PDT #3500 of 30001

Allyson, I read that. But I don't understand how you're interpreting the part you quoted... so I'm not sure how to respond beyond saying "it doesn't read to me the way it clearly does to you." But he says that the article is hysterical twaddle, not the authors. I don't know if it's the word "hysterical" that is pinging you; it doesn't do that to me but I know it is an issue for others. As for "twaddle," I'll note again that once the videos went up, it seems like an awful lot of people felt the author's portrayal was inaccurate. I'm using this link because she's another TAM speaker; she wasn't at the conference, was appalled by the description, and then saw the video. [link]

From in the second post on the subject at Blag Hag:

None of us were arguing against the point the MDC illustrates; it's perfectly true that in our society, women tend to be the gatekeepers of sexual activity.

Which is what Sean Savage meant when by "women hold the power over men." (Not "all the power," which I think implies something very different.) In the thread, someone immediately asked what he meant by that, and he directed them to a post earlier in the thread that I won't quote completely because this is going to be long as is... I think the key point is:

Statistical probability in study after study shows there are differences between males and females. [...] One of the differences that have been shown consistently is that women own the womb in our particular species... and as in other species where females control the womb, females are in control of sexual access.

That there is a biological reason for a pattern of behavior does not mean it is deterministic for every individual. It does not mean that there are no exceptions. It does not mean there cannot be social reasons as well. But... those are different issues. When you discuss human psychology and human biology and human behavior, you are by definition speaking in generalities.

And this is the Sean Faircloth talk -- [link] -- not from SERAM, but multiple posters have said it's essentially the same presentation. It's about 40 minutes long; the first 25 are basically about how sexuality, and particularly women's sexuality, has been controlled and abused in the name of religious morality. Then he goes through the million dollar challenge for 4 minutes -- basically as a lead-in to discussing the fact that Kennedy & King were horndogs, and that they've been critiqued for their sexual behavior. His ultimate argument is that "morality" should be about social justice, not sexual conduct between consenting adults.

His presentation has issues, but with all the devil's advocacy I am capable of, I cannot figure out how you could think come away from it thinking the point was "Women should just STFU when men treat them like sex objects."


erin_obscure - Apr 15, 2011 4:24:04 pm PDT #3501 of 30001
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

I agree that was the weakest episode of S1. But Beer Bad? Gave us "fire bad, tree pretty" which is a gift that keeps giving


Kathy A - Apr 15, 2011 4:24:41 pm PDT #3502 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I weighed myself later than usual today, at noon instead of first thing in the a.m. Even with the fact that I did absolutely no exercising in the two weeks I was at Mom's, and I had lots of food that I shouldn't have (a Dove ice cream bar, several Girl Scout cookies, several handfuls of both pretzels and raisins, and other assorted stuff), I still managed to lose over 5.5 pounds! But, I did need the extender belt on the flight back, so the lack of exercise made me flabbier. I'm glad I was in the pool today.

While unpacking my stuff, I finally went through the batch of personal stuff my mom gave me that she'd been saving over the years. She had my christening and first communion outfits, my dress from my first Christmas, all of my Congrats-on-your-new-baby! cards, hair from my first haircut. Also, my first 4H project (a skirt for the sewing category), and programs from several band concerts, high school plays I was in, my organ recital from 4th grade, and some honors nights, as well as my grade report cards from 7th grade. Stuff that I had no idea she'd been keeping!


§ ita § - Apr 15, 2011 4:35:40 pm PDT #3503 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The National Institute of Standards and Technologies needs help with some mysteries.

I have a mystery. When is my addiction to Nutella going to subside? Also, I realised that I hadn't had any Izze for weeks because I was getting my homemade fizz on, but there's clementine Izze right downstairs from work, and all of a sudden I'm drinking it like a fiend at the office. Like, I swear it makes me thirstier as I drink. It's not sane.


Kat - Apr 15, 2011 4:41:27 pm PDT #3504 of 30001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

When is my addiction to Nutella going to subside?

When you try speculoos?


Lee - Apr 15, 2011 4:43:08 pm PDT #3505 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I still need to get me some of that.

Maybe this weekend, when I am in Seattle.


Hil R. - Apr 15, 2011 4:44:04 pm PDT #3506 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

But Beer Bad? Gave us "fire bad, tree pretty" which is a gift that keeps giving

That was Graduation Day 2, and the "fire bad" part was originally Frankenstein.