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Fred Pete - Sep 22, 2011 4:50:31 am PDT #27747 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Shortly after I started law school, two acquaintances of mine were kidnapped just off campus. One was let go shortly afterward, the other was murdered. The guy that did it was caught a few days later. The story (never confirmed) was that he led the police to the body in exchange for the DA not requesting the death penalty.

In my guts, I wanted to tear the guy to pieces. Even several years later, just before I graduated, I freaked out while watching an on-campus TV production involving an assault of a woman on a different part of the campus. But my head recognized that hearts like mine are the reason we have a justice system. (Which isn't to say the legal system is perfect. But at least it's an effort to get away from the personal vendetta as justice. And it works well enough often enough that I wouldn't want to toss it out entirely to replace it with something completely different.)

As for the death penalty, my head can't get to complete opposition. Some crimes are so horrendous that I can't think of any other appropriate punishment (John Wayne Gacy comes to mind). At the same time, I have very deep problems with the way it's applied in this country. Others have mentioned above the unequal imposition of the death penalty. I also cringe whenever I see/hear people cheering an execution -- the death penalty should be rare, reserved only for the most horrendous of crimes. And when done, it should be done soberly and reluctantly -- after all, even if the death penalty is appropriate in a particular case, a life is being ended. And that means a person is taken away from others -- parents, children, siblings -- who may have done nothing wrong on their own.

And an issue that's being raised some now but should have been raised more strongly a long time ago. There's no way to make amends to a wrongly convicted person who's been executed. It's possible to compensate someone who's been wrongly imprisoned -- maybe not perfectly, but at least something can be done. Once someone's dead, there's no way to make up for any errors. And as much as the people who cheered Rick Perry don't want to face it, innocent people do get convicted. Humans aren't perfect.


Cashmere - Sep 22, 2011 4:52:31 am PDT #27748 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Sophia, can you get a little club soda to clean up the shoulder?

People try to hack my Cashmere twitter name all the time. I thought the rapper from Brooklyn wanted to buy it but he never came through.

I'm against the death penalty on a number of grounds. It's not fairly applied, it's not a deterrent and it costs more money to put someone to death than it does to incarcerate them for life. Also if there is the slightest chance you might execute an innocent person, why do it?


Jessica - Sep 22, 2011 4:57:28 am PDT #27749 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm avoiding thinking about the death penalty by researching urban chickens. Yes, I know I live in an apartment. I don't care. I want some chickens.


Steph L. - Sep 22, 2011 5:02:48 am PDT #27750 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm avoiding thinking about the death penalty by researching urban chickens. Yes, I know I live in an apartment. I don't care. I want some chickens.

People who live within city limits in Cincy -- even if it's a neighborhood with houses that have yards, rather than a downtown loft apartment -- are not allowed to have chickens. So there's this burgeoning underground chicken movement, and I am not joking. I know of at least 2 people on my wee street who have coops in their backyard. Basically, it's not like the cops have the time to look for people to bust for illegal chicken possession, so the only time it's an issue is if a neighbor reports them.

We have one neighbor with chickens and bees. (Housed separately.)


Sophia Brooks - Sep 22, 2011 5:03:28 am PDT #27751 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Sophia, can you get a little club soda to clean up the shoulder?

Thank you for giving me the idea. I didn't find club soda, but I was able to get peroxide, which helped. I wish I had vinegar, because peroxide and vinegar seems to totally neutralize the odor.

Of course I am meeting with my big!boss today, who also just got promoted so she is the uber!boss.


Zenkitty - Sep 22, 2011 5:07:23 am PDT #27752 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

My twitter got hacked too, and I can't delete the stupid spammy tweet.


DavidS - Sep 22, 2011 5:13:43 am PDT #27753 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

In first world problems, I just realized that my cat peed on the shoulder of the dress I am wearing! I have to spend 10 more hours in this dress.

That's a problem in any world.


Sue - Sep 22, 2011 5:22:14 am PDT #27754 of 30001
hip deep in pie

People who live within city limits in Cincy -- even if it's a neighborhood with houses that have yards, rather than a downtown loft apartment -- are not allowed to have chickens. So there's this burgeoning underground chicken movement, and I am not joking. I know of at least 2 people on my wee street who have coops in their backyard. Basically, it's not like the cops have the time to look for people to bust for illegal chicken possession, so the only time it's an issue is if a neighbor reports them.

We are having the same issue here, Steph.


Jessica - Sep 22, 2011 5:29:52 am PDT #27755 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

According to my research, chickens are legal in Cincinnati as long as they keep quiet and don't smell bad:

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In NYC, chickens are considered "pets" and you are allowed an unlimited number of hens!

In my fantasyland where I have a lot of money, my neighbor and I are going to convert the roof of our building to sod and keep chickens up there. (With chicken wire, of course, so they don't try to jump off.)


Zenkitty - Sep 22, 2011 5:42:00 am PDT #27756 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Godammit. My boss is insane. She's all "oh, you can handle things without involving me! use your judgement!" when she doesn't want to be bothered, but silly me, I went and made a decision all on my own, and now she's pissed off. She even admitted the decision I made was the logical thing to do, but she's still sore. And now she's off yelling at my assistant for doing what I asked her to do! Something that is actually fairly routine and the other managers don't flip the fuck out about it.

I don't hate my job. I hate my crazy-ass boss. If I were still in the office and having to deal with her every day, I'd probably have either quit or had a heart attack by now. I've asked the Big Boss before if I could switch to another team - as has everyone who's ever worked for this woman - but no. Because I "know how to handle her". Fuck, yes: fling Prozac at her and hide behind a desk.

Fuck.