I walk. I talk. I shop, I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out. And I don't sleep on a bed of bones.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Sep 13, 2011 11:16:33 am PDT #25841 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

A stranger watching might think Tim is a boor for preceding me into a room

Huh. What percentage of strangers think this, do you suppose?

I'll hold a door for a woman if she's right behind me, but I expect the same thing in return. I don't do the coat thing or the hat thing (or the 'help her sit in a restaurant') either. I always figured only a small percentage of people would think I'm a boor....


brenda m - Sep 13, 2011 11:20:06 am PDT #25842 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

But my point is that a truly polite gentleman (or gentlewoman) would find out his (or her) companion's preferences and then accede to them

Some of those "polite" things anyway - eh. Any number of times I've been in the middle or back of a crowded elevator, and the men waiting to let me get out first is awkward and inconvenient, and sometimes makes me really self-conscious. And given that no one has regularly helped me on with my coat since about the third grade, that's not exactly devoid of awkwardness either.

I have no issue with common courtesy, but some of it's just silly.


meara - Sep 13, 2011 11:21:27 am PDT #25843 of 30001

I don't find it to be a "social gracenote". I find it to be patronizing.

Eh, I am perfectly happy to have some guy hold the door for me. It just gets weird if he's hardcore about it and he's like, way behind me and running ahead to do it, or if my hands are free and he's got stuff. But then, I also open doors for people sometimes. I figure it's a nice thing to do for a human.

"Help sit in a restaurant" can be nice, if you're wearing a skirt. And a nice restaurant. But that's kind of a rare combo for me (and half the time its the hostess doing that for people, these days, which...)


Lee - Sep 13, 2011 11:24:12 am PDT #25844 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I figure it's a nice thing to do for a human.

This is pretty much where I am. If not holding the door means it's going to hit someone else in the face or something like that, then I will usually hold the door. I'm not more or less likely to do it based on the gender of the person behind me.


SuziQ - Sep 13, 2011 11:25:54 am PDT #25845 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I go with common coutesy. I'll hold doors and such and I appreciate it when someone (male or female) does it for me.

My son, since he was old enough to hold a door open, will hold a door for anyone and everyone. I mean, 5 families might pass through without anyone offering to relieve him or without him giving up his post. I have tried to tell him that is overkill and unnecessary. He won't listen.


Connie Neil - Sep 13, 2011 11:26:36 am PDT #25846 of 30001
brillig

Hubby is hardcore about getting the door for me, even when he's on crutches. I let him get away with it, because it's one of those things I put up with in the marriage. I think I've weaned him off of trying to open doors that push open, becuase it's just awkward to have him push open a door for me and then having me trying to squeeze past him. But oh, he doesn't like not doing it for me. My Hubby, the Neanderthal gentleman, everybody.


Amy - Sep 13, 2011 11:27:10 am PDT #25847 of 30001
Because books.

I always hold the door for the person behind me, no matter who it is. It's just *human* courtesy.

The last time I had the full-out "treat women like queens" experience was in this hard-core old-world Italian restaurant in the theater district. It was my parents and me and Stephen, and the waiters seated Mom, then me, then the men, asked Mom for her order first, then me, etc. It was sort of sweet and sort of tedious.


askye - Sep 13, 2011 11:28:13 am PDT #25848 of 30001
Thrive to spite them

I hold doors open for people. Men and women. And if it's a double door situation if a guy holds the first door open for me I always make sure I hold open the second one for him. It seems polite.

I don't know about helping a coat on. Do people really need help putting on coats?


JenP - Sep 13, 2011 11:28:32 am PDT #25849 of 30001

If someone's trying to be polite, I'll assume he or she is trying to... be polite. Sometimes it's awkward, sometimes it's sweet. I've helped men and women with coats, and I've held doors for both. Both have done the same for me. Since I don't have auto locks, I sometimes unlock my passenger's door first, but I don't hang around to close it unless it's my mother or someone for whom it is otherwise awkward.

I get annoyed with people who have no sense of the fact that there are other people in the world and don't seem to know how to practice even basic common courtesy or sense.


Lee - Sep 13, 2011 11:29:32 am PDT #25850 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Do people really need help putting on coats?

Have you met me?

Sometimes.