Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

'Dirty Girls'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


zuisa - Sep 04, 2011 11:31:42 am PDT #24084 of 30001
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

Hey, what is there to do in Seattle?

I find myself with basically a full day in Seattle when I fly out on the 17th to join my next ship. I have friends in like 1957351843 cities worldwide, but turns out that Seattle is not one of them.

Any parks or particularly nice areas of downtown or something?


sumi - Sep 04, 2011 11:37:59 am PDT #24085 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

What a good girl, Kaylee!


smonster - Sep 04, 2011 11:49:04 am PDT #24086 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Zen, I totally grok why you're freaking more about the D&C. I hope it works for you and the recovery is swift and as painless as possible.

I am Allyson and Jen and Connie on the immigration thing. Living in a country for two years where people immigrate FROM really gave me perspective. To all those who are self-righteous about it, I would like to arrange a Freaky Friday that lasts a year, where suddenly they are a school teacher in Moldova whose monthly salary is $20 and who hasn't received that salary in SIX MONTHS, and who comes home from school not only to grade and care for her children and cook from scratch, but to work in a garden or even larger allotment so that, by god, they have SOMETHING to eat. See how that illegal maid job in Italy looks then.


dcp - Sep 04, 2011 11:58:16 am PDT #24087 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

zuisa, there are quite a few Buffistas in the Seattle area. Check the Buffista map.

A quick list of touristy stuff from my trip to the 2009 F2F:

There is a good view of the city and harbor from the observaton deck of Columbia Center.

The Seattle Central Library is...interesting.

There is a monorail to the Space Needle.

I enjoyed sailing around Elliot Bay.

I did not think much of the Seattle Aquarium.

Pike Place Market is worth exploring.

The Underground Tour was very interesting.


le nubian - Sep 04, 2011 11:59:44 am PDT #24088 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

There was a PBS special on agriculture in California that aired about 10 years ago now and man was that ever enlightening with regard to immigration. It might be on their website. But the main thing that got me about that special is how the U.S. has used immigration policies since its founding as a lever to service business interests. So sometimes for several months especially when crops needed tending to, there was a lack of immigration enforcement and the quotas from certain countries were ignored.

It is dishonest to claim a hard and fast immigration policy when the US has NEVER had one.

This is not to say that immigration affects resources in our respective states, but let's get honest about the actual costs, social and otherwise, of enforcing draconian measures to boot otherwise law-abiding people out the U.S.


msbelle - Sep 04, 2011 12:02:06 pm PDT #24089 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Zen I had a d&c for what they thought was an uterian polyp, but turned out to be a fibroids. I was given a general and I was sore for 2 days.


Cass - Sep 04, 2011 12:02:19 pm PDT #24090 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

It didn't occur to me to ask about anesthesia. Honestly, I don't need to be scolded and lectured at. This is not my fault.

My apologies. I did not intend to sound like I was scolding.

It's not your fault at all. I was just worried that you seemed very upset and maybe calling to ask a few questions about anesthesia and recuperative times and what will happen if this doesn't help you, might make you feel a lot better about it.

I apologize for my tone.


Connie Neil - Sep 04, 2011 12:02:22 pm PDT #24091 of 30001
brillig

This is not to say that immigration affects resources in our respective states, but let's get honest about the actual costs, social and otherwise, of enforcing draconian measures to boot otherwise law-abiding people out the U.S.

Oh, but that means someone, somewhere, is "getting away with something." And god knows we can't have that in this righteous, law-abiding country.

Too many of my friends--including my landlord!--are militant about this, and really don't think I should tell my landlord he's a hypocritical bigot.


sumi - Sep 04, 2011 12:26:15 pm PDT #24092 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

A Horseowner in Schoharie County, NY is still looking for his 22 horses that were swept away in the floods of Hurricane Irene last week.

22.

No trace.

Amazing and horrifying.


smonster - Sep 04, 2011 12:39:36 pm PDT #24093 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I don't know hard numbers, but my gut feeling is that this country could not survive without illegal immigrant labor. Not without a dramatic shift in how we pay people and what we are willing to pay for things, and a million other aspects of our society. And what happened in Georgia backs me up [link]