Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
I'm ordinary. I haven't made a real difference in the world.
The words Maria and ordinary do not go together. You're a lovely and vibrant person. You've had some undeniably sucky years. I wish I could fix your life so that you have the life you want, rather than making do with what you have.
I often feel the same way, and I'm a lot further down the road than you are.
Not only do they have two psychologists for parents (even one is too much of a burden for any kid), they are identical twins with two parents who study identical twins for a living.
Are you keeping one of them in a box? (I know Skinner didn't really keep his daughter in a Skinner box, but I couldn't resist.)
Truly. It's just my own inability to reconcile what my life was supposed to be with what it actually is.
Maria, after my first marriage ended I also felt a huge disconnection between the life I thought I was going to have and the life in front of me. And that made me feel...
The best way to put it is that I feel stuck, and I don't know how to un-stick myself, or even if I can.
...stuck. So, I will just offer the one insight that made a difference to me. Which was that I was stuck because I was holding on to an idea of myself and my life that wasn't true anymore. The reason I was stuck was because I wasn't letting go of the past and choosing something new. I was the thing that was making me stuck. My expectations.
It only took me about four years to figure it out.
When I could see that and choose something new, I could move forward. And I chose JZ. And having a new baby. So that turned out okay.
Maria, I totally get what you're saying. I'd like to think I'd leave a dent, you know? A kid, or something? Maybe a legacy with my hands?
Instead I'm just scratching by week to week between meds and trying not to be manic inbetween. It's really frustrating.
Did you have pie?
I have an ENTIRE pie.
I have an ENTIRE pie.
Oooh, what kind? Boysenberry?
I haven't made a real difference in the world.
I beg to differ. You seem to not quite understand that you held my mind together when I sincerely thought I was going to be completely financially fucked for years. If you hadn't stepped in, I would have bought another car, and plunged myself into an enormous financial sinkhole. You saved me from complete misery, simply by saying, "this will be fixed and I can help you."
It made a hella difference to me, and I'm in the world.
Are you keeping one of them in a box? (I know Skinner didn't really keep his daughter in a Skinner box, but I couldn't resist.)
He did keep her in a sort of a box. Actually it was a crib with plexiglass walls (he thought it would be easy to clean) with a cloth floor set up on rollers like an old fashioned gas station cloth towel dispenser (when the baby pees on the floor, you just roll out a clean dry expanse of floor). But it was really just a crib with a sheet on rollers, transformed into a Skinner box by the popular imagination.
At the time, Skinner and his family lived about four blocks from the house where I live now.
I hope my directions to Pasadena were good.
I'm back at Kristin’s now. Your directions made perfect sense, even the part where I had to do that zig-zag thing.
I had pecan pie, and it was good.
He did keep her in a sort of a box.
She did not, however, have to push a button to get food.
I feel like there's something DEEPLY, severely wrong with me that I don't want kids. I really want to WANT them; I feel like I should be wanting them so I have the large brood to gather around my deathbed, etc., etc., but -- I have zero urge to have a kid. None.
Me too. Never have. When Tom and I first got together and my sister was having babies and all that, I explored the possibility of maybe wanting kids? And after a few months of that, I knew... not so much.
My cats are my babies, and I don't even care how crazy that sounds!
Oh, Maria. Listen to the very wise Buffistae, for they have many smart things to say. But something Hec said especially resonated with me:
Which was that I was stuck because I was holding on to an idea of myself and my life that wasn't true anymore. The reason I was stuck was because I wasn't letting go of the past and choosing something new. I was the thing that was making me stuck. My expectations.
It's so tough (and I am still working on it) but I think it's true.
Oh Maria, This has been an absolute shit-hole year. I do hope that things get brighter for you.