Gimme some milk.

Jayne ,'Jaynestown'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Allyson - Aug 18, 2011 7:03:29 am PDT #20931 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Believe it or not, there are organizational development consultants who aren't total idiots.

It can, but the consultants do need to tailor their information to the place/culture. For example, we are of course dealing with people on the autism spectrum, highly creative super-geniuses, and super-concentrated egos. Sometimes all at once. What my staff needs and what the staff at the local paper cup manufacturer needs are lightyears apart.

I just kept thinking, when you saw the sign on the way in, what made you think new age woo was the way to go?


megan walker - Aug 18, 2011 7:04:58 am PDT #20932 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I don't have a smartphone so I don't know anything about what they charge for accessing the internet. I think I paid around $25 for the phone itself.

Well, when I looked at Verizon, it didn't seem like you could get phone/text/data for much under $100, AT&T was more like $75, but that was because they had more text/data options and maybe that won't be true soon.

I don't phone or text much, so, at those rates (Sparky's), I could spend a few hundred on a phone and be free and clear after six months or so.


beekaytee - Aug 18, 2011 7:08:19 am PDT #20933 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

The problem is fads and 'saleabe' concepts.

Every program should be tailored to the needs of the group. There are basic, adult learning theories and program structures, but the content must suit the context.

The problem is, the stakeholders either don't want to pay for that kind of analysis or get caught up in 'we have to spend money on training, and we did THAT before, so make something up that's NEW.

That way lies crappy results and pissed off employees.

Man. I guess I'm still bitter. I couldn't get paid (competitive to low rates) to do what folks really need, while the Moonbeam Brigade gets a multi-year government contract.

Grrr.

Still, that reality led me to do what I love even more, so I guess it worked out okay.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2011 7:08:46 am PDT #20934 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Last time I bought a phone I made the person at T Mobile do the contract/buy math and look me in the face when they tried to sell me the contract. They had the decency to look ashamed. If draw even inside of a year, what's the vague temptation?


Kate P. - Aug 18, 2011 7:18:37 am PDT #20935 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Ah, I just realized you all are talking about contract vs. buy for the phone itself, right? Separately from how you pay for calling/texting/etc.?


P.M. Marc - Aug 18, 2011 7:20:19 am PDT #20936 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Virgin Mobile is tempting. I was no contract for years, but I've been latched to AT&T since I got my first iPhone.

Sadly, I *really* like the phone.


Amy - Aug 18, 2011 7:22:12 am PDT #20937 of 30001
Because books.

I thought you always bought the phone. With some of the contracts you, what? Trade up when the contract is over?

I'm dealing with someone who is possibly the stupidest person I have ever met today. The wall of her stupidity is so high, I don't have any idea how to get around it.

Especially since CLEAR and SIMPLE questions for her to answer don't seem to be doing it.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2011 7:22:13 am PDT #20938 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Now I'm remembering AT&T is buying T Mobile and I'm sad. I've been running from AT&T for so long. I don't love T Mobile, but I have unlimited data (even though they do seem to throttle me) and SIM card technology and they're not AT&T. That used to be enough.


P.M. Marc - Aug 18, 2011 7:27:47 am PDT #20939 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I have grandfathered unlimited data. When, you know, there is actually coverage.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2011 7:28:02 am PDT #20940 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought you always bought the phone.

T Mobile seems to price the phone about $200 lower, and then have a more expensive voice/minutes cost. And then if you decide to not go with them within the 2 year period, you have to cough up the the $200 anyway.

In theory I could get my phone anywhere and still pay the monthly costs I pay now. But I'm hesitant about where I'll get my OS upgrades, so I've most recently tended to get the phone from T Mobile.

OMG, my head hurts so much. I can't believe I've only been at work 90 minutes.