But there are lots of spaces within a public park that are, if not restricted, then at least designated. My child doesn't have the right to play tea party in the middle of the tennis or basketball courts if someone comes along who wants to use them for their intended purposes; certain paths are set aside for bikers only, others for bikes and skateboards, others for feet only, no wheels except wheelchairs or strollers; only barbecue in the barbecue pits; the museums and Hall of Flowers are open to the public, but only if they pay admission; etc. etc. etc. Some of them are enforced by stated law, some by request, some by spoken or unspoken agreement.
About the false sense of security... I don't know. I never thought of it that way.
But there are lots of spaces within a public park that are, if not restricted, then at least designated. My child doesn't have the right to play tea party in the middle of the tennis or basketball courts if someone comes along who wants to use them for their intended purposes; certain paths are set aside for bikers only, others for bikes and skateboards, others for feet only, no wheels except wheelchairs or strollers; only barbecue in the barbecue pits;
But all of those are because the activity interferes with the intended purpose of the space. Someone sitting on a bench in the playground and watching the kids play doesn't interfere with the kids anymore than someone sitting on a bench at the sidelines of the basketball court and watching the people play basketball does.
But there are lots of spaces within a public park that are, if not restricted, then at least designated. My child doesn't have the right to play tea party in the middle of the tennis or basketball courts if someone comes along who wants to use them for their intended purposes; certain paths are set aside for bikers only, others for bikes and skateboards, others for feet only, no wheels except wheelchairs or strollers; only barbecue in the barbecue pits; the museums and Hall of Flowers are open to the public, but only if they pay admission; etc. etc. etc. Some of them are enforced by stated law, some by request, some by spoken or unspoken agreement.
You're not generally going to get a ticket or arrested for wandering through the tennis or soccer courts. Designated is one thing, legal restrictions are another.
You're not generally going to get a ticket or arrested for wandering through the tennis or soccer courts. Designated is one thing, legal restrictions are another.
In NYC parks, you can absolutely get a ticket for loitering on the ballfields if you're not there to play ball.
I dunno, I have concerns about it both from a civil liberties perspective (restricting areas of a public park skeeves me) and from a false-sense-of-security parenting persepective.
Yeah, the security theater aspect is what struck me. Most pedophiles are not strangers on the street (or the playgrounds), they're people within the social networks of the children they abuse. Refusing adults unaccompanied by children access to playgrounds doesn't actually do much (if anything) to protect those children, who presumably are already accompanied by an adult anyway.
In NYC parks, you can absolutely get a ticket for loitering on the ballfields if you're not there to play ball.
But sitting on a bench watching, or reading a book?
But sitting on a bench watching, or reading a book?
There generally aren't benches in the middle of the soccer fields. If you're on one of the benches inside the fence that's reserved for the players, then yes.
There generally aren't benches in the middle of the soccer fields. If you're on one of the benches inside the fence that's reserved for the players, then yes.
But that's still interfering with the activity that's supposed to be going on. Just sitting on a bench in a playground, as long as you aren't taking up space that a child or caregiver needs, isn't interfering with anybody.
And if you're just sitting there to talk to a friend and eat donuts, the kids probably barely register, so it's not as though (in this case) the women would have been staring at the kids.
Just sitting on a bench in a playground, as long as you aren't taking up space that a child or caregiver needs, isn't interfering with anybody.
Which is why most of the time, people get away with it and nobody's bothered.
I've only ever called the cops once from a playground, and it was to get rid of some older teens/young adults who were sitting on the swingset screaming profanities at little kids. Only other time I've even *heard* of this happening was a guy who was hanging around at a playground taking pictures of the kids without the parents' permission (legal, but creepy).
