Whoa! I... I think I'm having a thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thought. Now I'm having a plan. Now I'm having a wiggins.

Xander ,'First Date'


Natter 68: Bork Bork Bork  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Amy - Jun 01, 2011 6:30:44 pm PDT #10831 of 30001
Because books.

Faulkner fucked off on his post office job to write masterpieces, and Nathanel West was a hotel manager who let writers stay there for free.

But I assume they were still getting paid.

Frankly, I believe Plan B is often inimical to creative work.

I think what's pretty inimical to creative work is being so sick you can barely lift your head and not having the money to see a doctor. Living on so much ramen and PB&J you're actually malnourished because you don't have money for decent food.


Atropa - Jun 01, 2011 6:33:26 pm PDT #10832 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I don't know why anybody's upset to hear iconoclastic advice from Amanda Palmer.

Partially because I KNOW that Amanda Palmer's plan A included the safety net of being able to go home to her parents, and (as I said upthread) relied on other people taking care of her and the people working for her.

Frankly, I believe Plan B is often inimical to creative work.

We have different opinions on this. That's really all I can say.


beth b - Jun 01, 2011 6:37:12 pm PDT #10833 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

My friend C is the pie baker -- she was a baker , did the corporate thing and is now a baker again. I know what she did to become a baker again. She took care of business - put together a plan to get back into a creative field

her last newsletter

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msbelle - Jun 01, 2011 6:37:48 pm PDT #10834 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Wed night is not a great kerfuffle night for me, not really feeling it.


Lee - Jun 01, 2011 6:39:10 pm PDT #10835 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Congrats Gud!


Atropa - Jun 01, 2011 6:39:53 pm PDT #10836 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Also, I will say that in my experience, the people who are dismissive of having a plan b or safety net are also usually the people who will tell you all about their big plans for their fantastic project that they're going to start on any day now. There's a lack of follow-through, and that is one of the things that makes my hackles rise.


Typo Boy - Jun 01, 2011 6:43:53 pm PDT #10837 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I mean it is great if you don't need a plan B. Creative work,if done properly is hard work, and having a second full time job no more enhances it than having a second full time job enhances any other full time job. But not being willing to turn to plan B when you need one really is irresponsible. That it occasionally works out is great, but a lot of people ruin their lives and those of other by not having a plan B. And I notice that nobody says how great it is if someone takes a run at professional sports, fails and has no education or backup plan to make a living ...


Atropa - Jun 01, 2011 6:47:07 pm PDT #10838 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

But not being willing to turn to plan B when you need one really is irresponsible. That it occasionally works out is great, but a lot of people ruin their lives and those of other by not having a plan B. And I notice that nobody says how great it is if someone takes a run at professional sports, fails and has no education or backup plan to make a living ...

EXACTLY.

If you don't want to have a plan B, fine. But then I really hope that no one else is depending on you, and that the only life you're gambling with is your own.


Atropa - Jun 01, 2011 6:50:45 pm PDT #10839 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

And (because as I said, this is a hot button for me): I love the idea of Kickstarter-funded projects and grants for the arts. Because again, the people who follow those avenues are putting in the effort.


le nubian - Jun 01, 2011 6:53:02 pm PDT #10840 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The thing about using Rent as an example though (of the writer writing successfully and holding down a job) is that I think he literally worked himself to death to put Rent on.

That was likely his set of choices, but I wonder how the work would have been different if it had taken him a bit longer to put it out and took better care of his health. But maybe his ailment was too difficult to treat.