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Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Mar 23, 2011 8:54:21 am PDT #29790 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I'm being a jerk.

Nah, not at all. Just skimming over it, it seems totally suspicious. That's one of the things I like about you, you step back from things that sound outrageous to uncover they aren't as cut and dried as it sounds.

It's something I've had to learn about picking up stories that sound outrageous in a way that supports my worldview. There's often an argument on the other side that is at least somewhat reasonable, not all the time, but often.


Allyson - Mar 23, 2011 8:55:07 am PDT #29791 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's important to note that only crackpotty sites are reporting on this. I couldn't find anything in a paper.


Gudanov - Mar 23, 2011 8:59:14 am PDT #29792 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

In general, I feel bad for family services type people. It seems like they are always the bad guys in the media no matter what they do, either taking kids from their loving parents, or not intervening soon enough.


Allyson - Mar 23, 2011 9:01:04 am PDT #29793 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's something I've had to learn about picking up stories that sound outrageous in a way that supports my worldview.

I've been spending a lot of time writing about this for the new book. Managing my confirmation bias. ita does a really good job of that. Strega does as well. I'm having a difficult time with it. Taking a deep breath and stepping back and saying, "I need more facts."


Allyson - Mar 23, 2011 9:06:15 am PDT #29794 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

You know, and this happened recently when a friend posted a story to her FB about a woman in Florida who was taken against her will and basically committed to a hospital because she told her doctor that she couldn't go on bed rest during a high risk pregnancy. She was single, and the sole supporter of two other children.

She miscarried two days later while being held in the hospital.

And I felt this huge outrage...but then I went to my handy dandy google, and found that the ACLU took her case, and the judges found for her, and stated that they clearly wanted to set precedent so that this never happened to another woman. The judges said that. And I was like, "DUDE. THAT WAS THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE STORY."

Not, "woe, the plight of women in america," it was, "woman in america triumphs."

Why you trying to Rage Fatigue me? WHY? There's enough shit to be angry about.


le nubian - Mar 23, 2011 9:10:30 am PDT #29795 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

brenda,

I have never read that site in my life. I am not quite sure how I've avoided the crackpots, but I have. You'd think I just signed on to the Internet last night.


Jesse - Mar 23, 2011 9:10:46 am PDT #29796 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In general, I feel bad for family services type people. It seems like they are always the bad guys in the media no matter what they do, either taking kids from their loving parents, or not intervening soon enough.

Yeah, absolutely. Because you only hear about exceptional stories, and/or ones where someone raises a stink.

Sort of relatedly, last weekend's This American Life had a story from a guy who went to go rescue some kids from their meth head parents, and what actually happened. It was interesting.


Daisy Jane - Mar 23, 2011 9:13:23 am PDT #29797 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I think that 1)The fact that it happened at all is rage making AND 2) That the judges recognized that and found for her is also important.

I couldn't find anything but religious home-school sites and right wing crazy sites carrying it. (Of course that probably would confirm a bias of a different kind-that the MSM doesn't report on Christians being oppressed).


le nubian - Mar 23, 2011 9:17:23 am PDT #29798 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

what drives me crazy is that the social workers weren't telling them they couldn't pray, but they couldn't pray about reunification of the family because they didn't want the children to feel pressured.

so why couldn't they just have modified the prayers a bit in response to this?


le nubian - Mar 23, 2011 9:19:31 am PDT #29799 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

fact: elizabeth taylor outlived the person who wrote her NY Times obit.

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