One of you is gonna fall and die, and I'm not cleaning it up!

Mal ,'War Stories'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Zenkitty - Mar 14, 2011 5:43:41 pm PDT #28287 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Yay successful rollout!

I really miss having a Boston Market in town.

Apparently, it's been in there so long that they think the edges of it are starting to become grown into the inside of my vein.

When you talked about this, that's exactly what I thought of! That's what happened to one of the pins they put in my foot; the bone grew around it. I don't know why I thought something like that might have happened to you. Weird.


DavidS - Mar 14, 2011 5:55:59 pm PDT #28288 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

damaged its crucial steel containment structure

This is real bad.


Ginger - Mar 14, 2011 5:58:06 pm PDT #28289 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

It looks very bad indeed, Perkins. I fear I've been rather obsessed. Unit 2 had been fairly stable and 1 and 3 seemed to be stabilizing, but then there was some kind of failure in unit 2. Pressure built up and a pressure relief valve failed, so there was too much pressure inside for them to be able to add more water. The last explosion was probably a more intense hydrogen explosion, but it's hard to say. Anyway, after the explosion, the pressure in the reactor vessel went down and radiation increased, which indicates at least some breech in containment.


DavidS - Mar 14, 2011 5:59:57 pm PDT #28290 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but then there was some kind of failure in unit 2.

There, a malfunctioning valve prevented workers from manually venting the containment vessel to release pressure and allow fresh seawater to be injected into it. That meant that the extraordinary remedy emergency workers have been using to keep the nuclear fuel from overheating no longer worked.

Oh, that's Ginger said.

Shit.


Ginger - Mar 14, 2011 6:02:42 pm PDT #28291 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

There was a failure before that, because unit 2 had been stabilized with the portable generating units they brought in. It was when the normal cooling system failed this morning that they moved to add seawater, which they'd already done to 1 and 3.


DavidS - Mar 14, 2011 6:10:27 pm PDT #28292 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't understand why all resources in Japan weren't there to pump seawater into the reactors. At one point they had a generator run out of gas which caused one of the explosions.

I understand that things are chaotic there, but a helicopter can bring in more gas at any point.


brenda m - Mar 14, 2011 6:10:43 pm PDT #28293 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I' ve been hearing about fire in a fourth now too.


Strix - Mar 14, 2011 6:14:27 pm PDT #28294 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Ginger, what does it mean? I mean, I hear beyond 3 Mile Island, but I don't know what it means, in practical terms.

I know it's bad. God, those poor people in Japan.


Cashmere - Mar 14, 2011 6:25:33 pm PDT #28295 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Some perspective, Erin.

I'm glad Ginger's here.

Come the apocalypse, I'm going out in search of Buffistae.


Ginger - Mar 14, 2011 6:26:40 pm PDT #28296 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

As of about a half an hour ago, they were still managing to add water to units 1-3, but now there's a fire in unit 4. Of course, they can dump water into unit 2 now, because the pressure has been relieved, although not the way one would have chosen. As the article says, the exposure rates are getting too high for workers to stay there.

Even in the worst case, the exposure to any one individual downwind is going to be small. No one who's not near the plant is going to keel over and die. The biggest danger with these particles is increased long-term chance of cancer. The main cancers from Chernobyl were thyroid cancer in children, because one of the longer lived isotopes is radioactive iodine. They're already distributed potassium iodide, and if you give the thyroid enough good iodine, it doesn't try to take up more. It didn't help that the diet in the Chernobyl area was already low in iodine.