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Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - Mar 01, 2011 9:27:32 am PST #25825 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

George Will wrote an article about trains being a tool to beat the rugged car individualists down into accepting collectivism.

Yeah, because having fewer choices allows us to be more individual.


§ ita § - Mar 01, 2011 9:29:22 am PST #25826 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I remind them that we all graduated college and are supporting ourselves, no one got arrested or has a drug habit...what more do they want??

I have so many relatives to point at that we're either doing ostensibly better (read: saner) than, or at the very least more easily than, but it doesn't always count. We're not breeding, see?


Fred Pete - Mar 01, 2011 9:29:28 am PST #25827 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Egad, Sox.

I avoid my parents, which is relatively easy because I live in a different time zone. Unfortunately, the wacko cousin that got our (unlisted) phone number is going to be in town next month, and he has ordered me to have dinner with him. And, no, that is the right word.


Daisy Jane - Mar 01, 2011 9:29:51 am PST #25828 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I am not kidding.

Automobiles go hither and yon, wherever and whenever the driver desires, without timetables. Automobiles encourage people to think they--unsupervised, untutored, and unscripted--are masters of their fates. The automobile encourages people in delusions of adequacy, which make them resistant to government by experts who know what choices people should make.


Fred Pete - Mar 01, 2011 9:31:02 am PST #25829 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Automobiles go hither and yon, wherever and whenever the driver desires, without timetables. Automobiles encourage people to think they--unsupervised, untutored, and unscripted--are masters of their fates.

That reminds me -- I haven't driven across the Atlantic Ocean lately. Time for a road trip.


Polter-Cow - Mar 01, 2011 9:31:58 am PST #25830 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I don't even know who George Will is. But he sure likes him some automobiles.


Gudanov - Mar 01, 2011 9:33:11 am PST #25831 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Automobiles encourage people to think they--unsupervised, untutored, and unscripted--are masters of their fates.

I hate these kind of arguments because he's overlooking the fact that you can still fucking buy a car.

It's like when people make that argument that women can't be stay at home moms because of feminism. No, they can, nobody made it illegal, nobody is talking about making it illegal.


Daisy Jane - Mar 01, 2011 9:35:31 am PST #25832 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Also, I'm pretty sure that the people who can't afford a car or car expenses but live in a town or city built around car culture (Hi Arlington!) aren't encouraged to think they are masters of their fates.


Jesse - Mar 01, 2011 9:35:38 am PST #25833 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I thought I wasn't allowed to have a car due to being a Working Girl On My Own? No???

Or a spinster. Either way.


erikaj - Mar 01, 2011 9:35:39 am PST #25834 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

That last turn is kind of a bitch, Fred. C'mon, George Will has not done a classic American roadtrip...with the junk food and fighting and being happy to find a good song on the radio, yeah. Lawrence O'Donnell makes awesome jello shots, too. @@