Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

Giles ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jesse - Feb 23, 2011 3:39:24 pm PST #24595 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Consuela, I hope your mom gets fixed up and you get out of there soon.

I have been completely sedentary today, because I spent a bunch of it on a plane. And bonus eating of tons of crap! Ah well.


javachik - Feb 23, 2011 3:39:36 pm PST #24596 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Consuela, this is an incredibly long day for you. I hope it ends soon.

This. I am upset that I can't go cook for you or something to ease some of the burden. But I am in a codeine haze and probably shouldn't drive.


tommyrot - Feb 23, 2011 3:44:36 pm PST #24597 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

A history lesson: An illustration of Teddy Roosevelt killing Bigfoot: [link]

By the same artist: Lincoln riding a grizzly bear: [link]


Steph L. - Feb 23, 2011 3:46:08 pm PST #24598 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

You're the bondage expert here. Jilli reached out to her resources, and now I think it's time for you to tap yours.

Okay, I started by Googling "BDSM late 1800s," which gave me an Amazon listing for something titled "Classic Images of BDSM (Classic Images of Sex and Erotica)." It's described as "A collection of BDSM images from the late 1800s to the early 1900s."

I am not making the following up and I am providing a link: where it says what customers ultimately bought after viewing that item, it says that 8% bought (or downloaded for free) the Kindle version of The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes. I couldn't make that up if I tried: [link]

Okay, back to research. I'm taking a bullet for alla y'all.

Good god, he's wearing a collar.

Wait, what? I guess I should look again.

It looks exceedingly well-made (possibly padded) and the D-ring is WAY too shiny. That's my problem with it. I would expect it to be more worn. It's not like Mr. S Leather existed in late 1800s London.


tommyrot - Feb 23, 2011 3:52:19 pm PST #24599 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Puppy Confused by His Own Reflection


Amy - Feb 23, 2011 3:52:27 pm PST #24600 of 30001
Because books.

I found vibrators (really primitive ones) and dildos that go that far back, and farther, so a collar wouldn't surprise me. The stainless D-ring is an oversight I'm willing to forgive.


Burrell - Feb 23, 2011 3:56:01 pm PST #24601 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Steph, your research is a thing of beauty.

Consuela, sending good thoughts to your mom. I hope she gets out of the ER soon.


Steph L. - Feb 23, 2011 4:01:51 pm PST #24602 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I found vibrators (really primitive ones) and dildos that go that far back, and farther, so a collar wouldn't surprise me. The stainless D-ring is an oversight I'm willing to forgive.

Yeah, it's not that there *is* a collar; it's just that *that one* looks like it was bought the day before at a 21st-century leather shop. But even in the late 1800s, at some point everything was new, so maybe it was just newly made. It just looks too...nice. Also, the shiny ring throws me. (The rope, however? Nicely chosen and nicely tied. Really.)

What would REALLY help is if I had a larger picture. For the greater good. You understand.


§ ita § - Feb 23, 2011 4:10:10 pm PST #24603 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Steph, trust me, I tineyed that shit, and so far there's nothing else out there.

I'm about to crack my first Izze since getting my Sodastream. I haven't really felt the need.

Thank goodness the only meal ingredients I have in the house are for crockpot food, or I'd be cooking again tonight. I have three meals worth of leftovers to eat. Well, two and most of a chicken.


Steph L. - Feb 23, 2011 4:14:33 pm PST #24604 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Steph, trust me, I tineyed that shit, and so far there's nothing else out there.

THERE IS NO GOD.