Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2011 2:51:49 pm PST #18943 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The idea is if they weren't trying to get something for nothing, they wouldn't bite on the con.

Merriam Webster defines con as follows:

Definition of CON
transitive verb
1: swindle
2 : manipulate 2b
3: persuade, cajole

Can honest people not be swindled, manipulated, or cajoled? I mean, I think they sure can. Just because something looks too good to be true doesn't mean you actually realised it...and if you're a good con man, it shouldn't look too good to be true, or the smart money won't fall for it.


brenda m - Jan 25, 2011 2:52:22 pm PST #18944 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

On the table under your gloves and the mail.


-t - Jan 25, 2011 2:56:07 pm PST #18945 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Eating whatever I want works out pretty okay for me most of the time. It can be hard to tell if something is to blame for later feeling bad, because the effects are almost never instantaneous, but that doesn't happen often enough for me to really worry about it. What gets me into trouble is eating whatever's easiest, or stuff that sounded good but turned out to be not so appealing but now I have it so I'll eat it anyway, or a lot of something that really I only wanted a little of but with a lot of it in front of me I'll just keep eating it.


amyth - Jan 25, 2011 2:56:31 pm PST #18946 of 30001
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Hey Allyson!

msbelle, a college transcript, seriously? We're the same age. That is totally bizarro.

Not having a good day. Went for my annual physical, told my doctor that I wasn't doing so great, and then proceeded to have a panic attack in the middle of my pap smear. I did get scrips for anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds super-quick, though! I've had this doctor for five years, and she was, uh, shocked. Surprise!

Anyway. Good stuff that happened today: I walked home from the doctor (about a mile) and my knee feels fine! Also, Lulu has started eating again. She's trying for the Oldest Poodle in the World award.


Jesse - Jan 25, 2011 2:59:24 pm PST #18947 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Aw, amyth. I'm glad some good stuff happened.

What gets me into trouble is eating whatever's easiest, or stuff that sounded good but turned out to be not so appealing but now I have it so I'll eat it anyway, or a lot of something that really I only wanted a little of but with a lot of it in front of me I'll just keep eating it.

Oh yeah.


DavidS - Jan 25, 2011 3:01:08 pm PST #18948 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Can honest people not be swindled, manipulated, or cajoled? I mean, I think they sure can. Just because something looks too good to be true doesn't mean you actually realised it...and if you're a good con man, it shouldn't look too good to be true, or the smart money won't fall for it.

Smart money won't fall for it. Let me put it to you in gambling terms. Back when Phil made his living separating people from their money by playing backgammon, he was always on the look out for a Pidgeon, or as he called it, a "Big Pidge."

Now the defining characteristic of a Big Pidge is they're not as good as they think they are. So you string them along and drop a few games and then you soak them.

The key is the word "Confidence" - which relates to gaining somebody's confidence, but also an over-inflated sense of your own ability.

A Con Man is a Confidence Man. They gain your confidence, but they also exploit your inflated sense of confidence. All these people who try to get something for nothing think they're gaming the system. They are wrong and they are the people you can exploit.

Tricking or swindling somebody out of money is just being a grifter. Running a con, either a short con or a long con, is different.

Old school con men had nothing but scorn for swindlers who cheated old pensioners out of their money. They were in it for the game and playing the personalities like an orchestra.


Daisy Jane - Jan 25, 2011 3:02:27 pm PST #18949 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I do have to say re: eating what you want, when I was younger (and therefore smaller and shorter than I am now) I loved the shit out of some salad. Like, wrote an ode to it in elementary school. Mom started a community garden in Shreveport, where there are vast food wastelands, and she said you couldn't get the kids to wash the veggies before they were scarfing them down. There's something affecting that and I don't know what it is.


-t - Jan 25, 2011 3:04:09 pm PST #18950 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

ita, I think part of it is that not getting caught for the con depends on the mark doing or wanting something illegal or at least unsavory.


Connie Neil - Jan 25, 2011 3:04:15 pm PST #18951 of 30001
brillig

If my mother had been a better cook--ie, boil all vegetables till limp and fry the pork chops till leathery--I might be a better eater today. I got stuck in the Carlinesque "are you sure it's supposed to look like that?" distrust of food and have been too lazy to get out of it.


Sue - Jan 25, 2011 3:05:45 pm PST #18952 of 30001
hip deep in pie

Not on the counter or with my gloves or mail. I fear it's lost...either on the bus or at my friend's place. I hate losing things, it makes me feel not in control of my life.