DJ, I never knew that. Interesting.

Ages ago, when I was working in a coffee shop, a customer who was an author would give me research projects for a little cash on the side. One of them was an old oil family in Dallas, specifically this guy [link] (from the link)

Rumours began to circulate that Murchison might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A friend of Murchison, Madeleine Brown, claimed in an interview on the television show, A Current Affair that on the 21st November, 1963, she was at his home in Dallas. Others at the meeting included Haroldson L. Hunt, J. Edgar Hoover, Clyde Tolson, John J. McCloy and Richard Nixon. At the end of the evening Lyndon B. Johnson arrived. Brown said in this interview: "Tension filled the room upon his arrival. The group immediately went behind closed doors. A short time later Lyndon, anxious and red-faced, reappeared. I knew how secretly Lyndon operated. Therefore I said nothing... not even that I was happy to see him. Squeezing my hand so hard, it felt crushed from the pressure, he spoke with a grating whisper, a quiet growl, into my ear, not a love message, but one I'll always remember: "After tomorrow those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again - that's no threat - that's a promise."

Really, that part is likely just rumor, but looking into articles about him at the time, you could see from the editorials in those papers the seething hatred for Kennedy.

It's not like anything could happen without the guy. I'm mediating between an external developer and an internal one, and this is our weekly scheduled interaction. If one guy doesn't show up, there's no meeting.

I have to have at least representatives from development, QA and whoever owns the ticket show up or I'm reduced to taking notes and emailing everyone after to either see if what we scheduled will work, if we can schedule, or it's even important enough to look at for the next few releases.

I think she's pretty careful to let Beck and the rest do the literal shootin' talkin'.

Well, her handlers are.

Definitely Baader Meinholf. But those are all sixties and seventies.

What about those MOVE people in Philly in the 1980's? (I really don't know much about them. I vaguely remember them because there was a bombing right before LiveAid.)

But here's a question. Were any of those groups able to get people elected to national office, or anything but denounced by mainstream politicians/media?

Exactly, DJ.

there was a bombing right before LiveAid.

They were the bombees, not the bombers.

I don't think that they aimed to get people elected, did they?

Yeah, I think that's the thing. Of COURSE there are violent crazies on the fringe of any political position. ("Crazies" not to indicate actual mental illness, here.) But they are not generally taken seriously by the mainstream.

I just refreshed my memory of MOVE. They were basically a massive neighborhood nuisance, had killed one cop when their place was raided, got into another standoff when city cops tried to evict them, and then the city dropped a bomb that started a fire destroying 200 homes. So, violent? Somewhat. Nationally powerful? Don't think so.

And taken seriously by the mainstream=becoming part of the culture/society that we all participate and live in.