What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Jan 05, 2011 11:15:58 am PST #14954 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

WTF is wrong with men wanting to have sex without repercussions that weren't wanted and/or pre-planned? Man!

Reprecussions for men? What do men have to do with raising children?


Gudanov - Jan 05, 2011 11:19:16 am PST #14955 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I remembered I needed to pay some bills tonight and that reminded of of something that really got me upset. We got the bill for taking Leif to the children's hospital clinic (note that's clinic, not ER) for a deep cut his sister gave him (less than a centimeter long) on his knee.

The doctor saw him for about 10 minutes top, a nurse treated his injury, washed it out, applied antibiotic cream, bandaged it, and put on a knee immobilizer. Maybe 15 minutes. Another nurse took his vitals, a couple of minutes. They also took 3 x-ray images since the cut was deep.

The bill was a little over a thousand dollars, the X-ray part was about $300 of that. In other words, 10 minutes with the doctor, cleaning out the little cut, and bandaging it cost $700 in the clinic. Insurance is paying that (and I'm sure they are paying less than that bill), but c'mon. I felt guilty having that bill sent to the insurance company.


Kathy A - Jan 05, 2011 11:27:04 am PST #14956 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Aren't hospital expenses just the craziest? I got my itemized list from the hospital after my surgery, and just the surgery and hospital stay alone cost over $58,000. Crazy!


Gudanov - Jan 05, 2011 11:30:27 am PST #14957 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

The worst part is that if it's late at night, even here in a decent sized city, there really isn't any other place to go aside from one of the ERs.


Burrell - Jan 05, 2011 11:32:25 am PST #14958 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

It must be fucked up to live in a world where you can convince yourself every child is born into a two-parent het family with the money to raise her.

I don't usually let my students write on abortion, but in one case I let a student write because she wasn't interested in writing the usual pro or con paper, she wanted to better understand what abortion was, what the procedures were, legal and medical issues, etc.

When she started writing the paper, she was firmly pro-life. She came away from the paper with a much more nuanced view. I remember her saying to me that the most important thing she learned from writing the paper was that you could try to protect EVERY life, or you could try to ensure that every child born could be given the best chance of being born healthy and loved, but you couldn't do both.


SuziQ - Jan 05, 2011 11:32:49 am PST #14959 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

With my current health plan, I pay the "contract" rates until I meet a crazy high deductable. So the bills I see show the full cost, the discount to the contract rates and the resulting total which is what I pay. It isn't a set percent decrease but the variance is usually significant.

This year I get to go through this fun with my prescriptions also. No more co-pays, just "contract rates". Can't wait (sarcasm font) to see how crazy those are.


beth b - Jan 05, 2011 11:33:20 am PST #14960 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Sending mA to Hayden, Kate, ej's mom, and andi.

The rest of the world confuses me.


SuziQ - Jan 05, 2011 11:34:10 am PST #14961 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

you could try to protect EVERY life, or you could try to ensure that every child born could be given the best chance of being born healthy and loved, but you couldn't do both.

That is a great summation of the issue. Will have to remember this.


Daisy Jane - Jan 05, 2011 11:34:51 am PST #14962 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

It's interesting, though, that "punishment" = "having a child." I mean, is that *really* the message they want to send about their view of children? They don't want women to not have access to contraception because having a child is a beautiful glorious thing; "punishment" /= "beautiful glorious thing."

This. For all the "Children are sweet wonderful joys to raise" rhetoric, they sure do seem to want the slutty slut sluts to be "punished" with them.


Connie Neil - Jan 05, 2011 11:35:48 am PST #14963 of 30001
brillig

She came away from the paper with a much more nuanced view

What, you mean formal education really is useful? Who'd a thunk?