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Natter 67: Overriding Vetoes  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, nail polish, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kathy A - Jan 04, 2011 1:01:27 pm PST #14746 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Oh, and I meant to say:

Happy Birthday, shrift!!

Now that I've lost some weight, I can finally have my way-too-long-delayed pap smear, which I'm going to schedule along with the rest of the complete physical in mid-February. I'm hoping the doctor will give me the okay to go off of the Lisinopril then.


Burrell - Jan 04, 2011 1:27:08 pm PST #14747 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

So nice to see all the good news here! Welcome baby Aeryn! Congrats to the whole family.

And yay for Dana and DH!

(I am totally ignoring the bleaching conversation.)

>To wit: if the state government refuses to defend the proposition, do the proponents of the proposition (i.e., the homophobes) have standing to defend it from being overturned?

I am running out the door and I hate to post a question and run, but there are so many smart lawyer types here and I've been wondering for a while now why the proponents would have been given standing after the Gov and the Atty Gen refused to defend it. So how does that sort of thing work?


Consuela - Jan 04, 2011 1:38:06 pm PST #14748 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

why the proponents would have been given standing after the Gov and the Atty Gen refused to defend it. So how does that sort of thing work?

Yeah, I'm not clear on that, except that without someone having standing at the trial court level, the case could not have been heard at all. And that's not right. But now that the case has been heard, the Prop 8 proponents may not have the standing to appeal the decision.

Actually, and I'll let Bon correct me if I'm wrong-- I think what happened was:

1. Prop 8 passes. Gay rights organizations sue the State.
2. State government is the defendent in the court, can't back out of it, but the Gov & AG refuse to affirmatively defend the Prop.
3. The proponents filed papers to allow them to defend it on the state's behalf.
4. Prop 8 loses in the trial court.
5. Proponents file appeal. State does not appeal.
6. This is where the standing question comes in: do the proponents have the right to appeal if the party with the real legal interest (the State) refuses to? I think the answer is No, but that's the question sent to the CA Supreme Court.

And the question it comes down to is: do the proponents of Prop 8 have a legally-protected interest that is threatened by the overturning of Prop 8? Which is really also a substantive claim about the proposition, not just a procedural one, since they're arguing that SSM is a direct threat to them (although they were utterly unable to articulate the nature of the threat in the trial court).


Sophia Brooks - Jan 04, 2011 1:39:04 pm PST #14749 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Much ~ma for Kate. I had a weird lymph node thing when I was much younger, and it was impossible to think of anything else. And they never found anything, and it just eventually went away.

Yay Dana's DH!

Sorry about the bleaching convo.


sumi - Jan 04, 2011 1:42:40 pm PST #14750 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

It's Shrift's birthday?

Happy Birthday!!


Sheryl - Jan 04, 2011 2:17:09 pm PST #14751 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Congrats to Jessica and family!

Yay Dana's DH!


Calli - Jan 04, 2011 2:32:40 pm PST #14752 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

That's great, Dana!

I'm home and full of shrimp goyza. Mmmmmm, pan-fried dumplings. On the down side, my back's been sore the last few days. On the up side, I've been working out the last week or so and trying to stretch more, and I'm feeling a bit more flexible. It's probably my back saying, "Hey, wait, we need to do that? I thought we stopped bending that way years ago."


Steph L. - Jan 04, 2011 2:33:55 pm PST #14753 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Yay for Dana's DH's job and for Kathy's awesome health!

that makes as much sense as vajazzling

You know, the terminology befuddles me here. The vagina is the canal, and surely women aren't gluing/otherwise affixing bling to the INSIDE of their birth canal. Surely the term should be "vulvajazzling." t /Sheldon

ION, I have seriously started a document on my computer called "Missing the Obvious." It should be shameful how often I miss things that are patently obvious to most rational people, except I do it so often that it's funny. I have always said that I am book-smart but SO not common sense-smart. t /also Sheldon

So the first entry in the "Missing the Obvious" document is this: we have lots of rubber mats on the kitchen floor, because we keep the dalmatian in there when we're not home and she has a tendency to pee/poop in there. The rubber mats make it easy to clean up.

So when I got home today, she had peed A LOT, and I grabbed the mop to just mop it all up. Tim came home and asked, "Did you mop UNDER the mats, where they overlap/join together?"

It didn't even occur to me that dog pee would trickle through the gaps and onto the floor beneath. Not for a second.


sarameg - Jan 04, 2011 3:00:23 pm PST #14754 of 30001

Great news, Kathy!

Aeryn is adorable! Yay babies!

So far the New Year Resolution people haven't hit the pool, and so the lanes aren't crowded. Wonder how long that will last...

Stabbed myself but good with the insulin needle tonight. Think I managed to stick it all the way in and wrench it a bit, because normally it just stings and this...this is more than a sting. Sigh.


Anne W. - Jan 04, 2011 3:02:33 pm PST #14755 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

So far the New Year Resolution people haven't hit the pool, and so the lanes aren't crowded. Wonder how long that will last...

They've been largely staying out of the free weights room, too. But when I went to go do intervals on one of the ellipticals? The treadmill/bike/elliptical room was PACKED.