Zoe: Next time we smuggle stock, let's make it something smaller. Wash: Yeah, we should start dealing in those black-market beagles.

'Safe'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Sean K - Sep 15, 2010 8:51:26 am PDT #2707 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

It's not derogatory to women in particular, I would say, other than the fact that it's making a joke out of something that is seriously not a joking matter.

I don't find it particularly jokey.

I'm in total agreement with everyone on "tramp stamp," but I must say, I'm surprised to see objection of the term "wife beater." I guess I'm coming at it from a different place in my head, but I always considered the term derogatory of men who beat their wives, which is a group I would argue deserve derogation.


brenda m - Sep 15, 2010 8:54:37 am PDT #2708 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

which is a group I would argue deserve derogation.

Yes, but - while the term is arguably denigrating men who beat their wives, it's also associating that behavior with a certian class/status marker.


Connie Neil - Sep 15, 2010 8:59:54 am PDT #2709 of 30000
brillig

It's a reasonable piece of clothing for its purpose, a sleeveless tank top to wear under other shirts. Why insinuate that it's the preferred wear of men who beat their wives? Every time I hear it assume it's a slam on whomever is wearing such a despicable piece of clothing.

Plus the whole "how funny is it to insinuate you hurt your spouse." I got a store employee fired for telling me to stop beating up my husband when Hubby was going around with crutches.


Sean K - Sep 15, 2010 9:01:22 am PDT #2710 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

That's a really good point, brenda. There's certainly plenty of men who beat their wives who wear suits and ties. But I would say as a counter point, it's not like it's the Official Poor Uniform, or anything. Even within that particular associated class, there are other outdoor sartorial choices you can make that won't make people make blind assumptions about you.

And yes, that's a concession that labeling someone who wears a sleeveless tee shirt outside a "wife beater" is an unfair assumption without further evidence.


Steph L. - Sep 15, 2010 9:11:12 am PDT #2711 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm surprised to see objection of the term "wife beater."

Uh, don't really like to hear/read people talking about inflicting violence upon their spouse, even if the phrase is meant to be a "funny" way of referring to an undershirt. Why WOULDN'T I object?


Sean K - Sep 15, 2010 9:13:02 am PDT #2712 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

It's a reasonable piece of clothing for its purpose, a sleeveless tank top to wear under other shirts.

I've always understood a "wife beater" to be a sleeveless tank top worn as a sole upper garment, outside in public. That's not at all the same thing. And that part of what brought it into common usage was its frequency of appearance on COPS and in other police footage. Yes, assuming someone who is poor is a wife beater is unfair. Yes, assuming someone who wears a sleeveless tee shirt as a sole upper garment beats his wife is unfair. And yes, assuming someone who shows up in a police video wearing a sleeveless tank top is a person who commits domestic violence is probably unfair too, but the likelihood is getting pretty high at that point.


Laga - Sep 15, 2010 9:13:35 am PDT #2713 of 30000
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Before they were wife beaters, they were dago tees. Yeah, ick. I, for one, think Sean would look hot in a... sleeveless undershirt- doesn't really roll off the tongue, does it?


Fred Pete - Sep 15, 2010 9:16:51 am PDT #2714 of 30000
Ann, that's a ferret.

I don't find it particularly jokey.

I think it's an attempt to be funny in the way rhymey phrases often are. That said, humor FAIL.

And being from the Upper Midwest, I think of the word "beater" alone as an old second car in not-very-good shape that's useful for winter driving because then the road salt won't damage the first (and nicer) car.


Sean K - Sep 15, 2010 9:17:20 am PDT #2715 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Uh, don't really like to hear/read people talking about inflicting violence upon their spouse, even if the phrase is meant to be a "funny" way of referring to an undershirt. Why WOULDN'T I object?

Again, I'm clearly coming at this from a completely different place in my head than, apparently, everybody else here, [unnecessary, deleted, sorry]


Connie Neil - Sep 15, 2010 9:18:20 am PDT #2716 of 30000
brillig

I thought they were called muscle shirts before "wife beater" took precedence.