Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right, we'd be in jail.

Wash ,'Serenity'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


§ ita § - Jul 22, 2011 1:09:09 pm PDT #25939 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Reasonable to ask someone online about the state of their genitalia? Uh, just so's y'alls clear--it's not reasonable to ask me. Hell no.


P.M. Marc - Jul 22, 2011 1:19:48 pm PDT #25940 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Reasonable to ask someone online about the state of their genitalia? Uh, just so's y'alls clear--it's not reasonable to ask me. Hell no.

Yeah, the stuff physically connected to my body is not for asking about.

Watson (the accessory under my Alan Moore costume), being a combination of soft sculpture crafting and gender expression stuff for me, however, is fair game.


Steph L. - Jul 22, 2011 1:28:03 pm PDT #25941 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I'm going to have to come to the cisgender person's defense, a little. If they're already in a conversation with a person re: a subject of interest, why wouldn't they think that the conversation should continue on various aspects of the subject?

*Some* aspects, yes. Some are fine, but some are not. Asking someone whether they've had surgery on their genitals is not acceptable. Or, as ita said, there's no call to ask *anyone* about the state of their genitalia. If you're in a relationship/situation where you might be having sex with someone, then at some point, those 2 people should discuss it. But beyond that, it's very not cool. That kind of question has the effect of reducing the individual to his/her genitals, and *not* doing so is kind of the point when people are discussing transgender issues.

I think contemptuously accusing them of rampant privilegism is a little much.

It wasn't contemptuous, and I didn't realize my paraphrase made it seem so t edit (if contempt was inferred, it was probably my own contempt), and the word "rampant" was never used. It is, however, a big case of someone who is privileged in one area demanding that the person who is not privileged be the one to educate her.

Now, I don't know how you feel about that issue -- whether it's the responsibility of the less-privileged person to provide education on demand to the more-privileged person -- but it happens in many, many, many areas. Feminism. Racial groups. Gay/bisexual people. And with gender issues. And by and large, the people who are in the less-privileged position say, repeatedly, that it is not their job to educate people, when there is already good, clear information out there that can be easily found.

I can't quarrel with that.


Steph L. - Jul 22, 2011 1:28:50 pm PDT #25942 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Watson

You are twisted and brilliant. I loves you foreverz.


Connie Neil - Jul 22, 2011 1:50:15 pm PDT #25943 of 30000
brillig

it is not their job to educate people,

No, but I would think some would take it as a golden opportunity to make sure that the best information gets distributed. "I don't like the assumptions you're making, but I can't be assed to give you better information, go find it yourself, privileged bitch."

Not a quote from anyone nor my assumption of the opinions of anyone here, as I hope needn't be explicitly stated but am stating anyway. I just find it weird that rather than offering proper information to someone asking questions, the feeling is to send that questioner off into the unreliable wilds of the Internet.


P.M. Marc - Jul 22, 2011 1:52:14 pm PDT #25944 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

You are twisted and brilliant. I loves you foreverz.

You have *seen* him, right? He looks like an uncut little cuddly jumper of a sockcock.

He's a drab mustard shade and ribbed.

It's hilarious.


amych - Jul 22, 2011 2:22:39 pm PDT #25945 of 30000
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

That's... Yeah, very Watson indeed.


Scrappy - Jul 22, 2011 2:32:10 pm PDT #25946 of 30000
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

No, but I would think some would take it as a golden opportunity to make sure that the best information gets distributed.

You CAN do that, IF YOU WISH, but it is not your obligation. If my husband says he's Jewish, is it okay for a stranger to ask if he is circumcised? Is he then obligated to "educate" him about Jewish customs? Assuming that because someone is in a minority you are interested in they are then obliged to answer your questions about themselves is a pretty big assumption.


askye - Jul 22, 2011 2:49:46 pm PDT #25947 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

I think if Person A asks Person B any type of personal question and Person B does not want to answer the only polite thing to do is for Person A to drop the subject.


Liese S. - Jul 22, 2011 3:10:46 pm PDT #25948 of 30000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

No, but I would think some would take it as a golden opportunity to make sure that the best information gets distributed. "I don't like the assumptions you're making, but I can't be assed to give you better information, go find it yourself, privileged bitch."

The basic problem that I run into, personally, is that being in the minority, there are more of the majority than me. I realize this seems like Obvious Statement, but I mention it because the reason I tend not to choose to be the educator is because I have done it, already, eight billion times before the person walking up, all innocence and good intentions, enters my orbit.

So if I, as the minority, have to be the one to educate the majority, I will have to do it ad inifinitum. I may be the only minority the majority person has ever encountered, but I have encountered many many of her. And probably the last several times, I did explain. But at some point I just can't do it for everyone, at which point, I might refer someone to some good resources available to a person of privilege. That also may include other minorities like me who are less at a point of activist fatigue, and can better continue the education of the (well-meaning, genuinely curious) person.