Illyria: We cling to what is gone. Is there anything in this life but grief? Wesley: There's love. There's hope...for some. There's hope that you'll find something worthy...that your life will lead you to some joy...that after everything...you can still be surprised. Illyria: Is that enough? Is that enough to live on?

'Shells'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Burrell - May 16, 2011 9:37:43 am PDT #21456 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

In the absence of knowing someone's pronoun of choice (zie, hir, or something else) I would think that many transgendered and genderqueer people would prefer a gender neutral (though incorrectly plural) "they" to making assumptions about their gender, based on appearances, or to gender binarism in general.

This is what I mean about just using a plural subject. Works beautifully.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - May 16, 2011 9:41:01 am PDT #21457 of 30000
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Ah, punctuation. I follow my universities' style guides, so as to write papers that don't get thrown in the bin by my professors. All (four of) the universities I've attended have used style guides that put the punctuation outside of the quotation marks. I wasn't taught this at school, though, so if it's not academic writing, I'm less concerned. Old habits die hard, nonetheless. I'm not a prescriptivist, as I'm a bit of a sociolinguist, but I fully accept the need for register, writing for a purpose, and meeting the requirements of a demanding readership.

It may have been a bit too soon for Alton Towers, although it was nice for a couple of hours. I huuuuurt. The Girl just crawled into bed next to me, clutching a bottle of water and demanding death. I put Eddie Izzard on for her. "Cake or death?"

Wedding pics, anyone? The first official batch came in (no fewer than *four* of our friends are professional photographers, so there are more to come - we are very lucky). TG's the slightly shorter one with the darker hair. [link]

ETA: OK, none of my direct links is working. That's annoying. I'll upload a few to flickr tomorrow. The site link's there, at least!


§ ita § - May 16, 2011 9:41:48 am PDT #21458 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

This is what I mean about just using a plural subject. Works beautifully.

Excuse my confusion, but I'm doing too many things at once and my head hurts like a bitch. Can you give me an example of a sentence about one person of unknown gender with a plural subject that satisfies your requirement?


Shir - May 16, 2011 9:46:13 am PDT #21459 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I'm sorry to interrupt the crucial grammar discussion, but I need to squee! for a moment:

There's a good chance that after weeks of careful hinting and passing-the-word on my side, I will manage to create a rape crisis center training designed especially for leftist demonstrations organizers and activists (where a lot of sexual harassments are taking place and they're clueless about what to do about it. Arabs' rights first, women's last. I wish I was kidding). They took a lot of fire on this for almost a year now - mostly after asking from women to come in more modest dress for demonstrations - and did next to nothing to show they care about women's rights other than the basic "but we have women leaders in our demonstrations! Which means no one is harassed here!" speech.

Enter moi. It took almost two months of asking from leftists men to spread the word to the demonstration organizers (and a lot had to do with one feminist leftist man that actually helped and didn't just nod his head with "yeah, good idea"), but I just received an email via that one great men saying that they're ready to listen. Right now, I'm trying to get them a good deal for (or free) that training at the rape crisis center.

In my book, I call it a win. They were so goddamn persistent with they "we don't know what you mean by sexual harassment" answers. I really hope they'll take it seriously and won't back off at the last minute.

Edit: ehh, spell check, you bitca.


Polter-Cow - May 16, 2011 9:48:25 am PDT #21460 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Shir, you are a rock star. Seriously, you are doing Something Important, and that's amazing.


Burrell - May 16, 2011 9:49:35 am PDT #21461 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think you are missing my point ita. I should have specified from the outset that I teach academic writing, not fiction. My point is that, if you are making an academic argument and don't want to use a gendered third person pronoun, generally it's going to be easier and neater to use a plural subject.


erikaj - May 16, 2011 9:49:54 am PDT #21462 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

Good for you. For real.


Shir - May 16, 2011 9:49:57 am PDT #21463 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Wedding pictures! Wedding pictures! Wedding pictures!

explodes with joy

not literally


§ ita § - May 16, 2011 9:50:04 am PDT #21464 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Ah, Burrell, I thought you were saying you hated the usage in general.

Shir--I fixed your tag.

People? I can't recommend quickedit highly enough. That way, if other people's posts get borked? It's my fault, not yours.


P.M. Marc - May 16, 2011 9:52:58 am PDT #21465 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Wedding pics, anyone? The first official batch came in (no fewer than *four* of our friends are professional photographers, so there are more to come - we are very lucky). TG's the slightly shorter one with the darker hair. [link]

You both look so lovely and happy! I am grinning for you.