The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


DavidS - May 16, 2011 8:43:36 am PDT #21436 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Have I ever given a damn about this? Do you think it's likely I'm going to start now?

No, you're stubborn like that. You're going to be sixty-three and snapping at the new kid in the office, "It's spelled 'l-e-d-e'."


ChiKat - May 16, 2011 8:48:26 am PDT #21437 of 30000
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

But when I used literally there, I wasn't saying "it was figuratively hell in that raincoat". I was saying "it was really really hellish in that raincoat".

"hellish" is not the same thing as "hell"

"It was literally hellish" means (to me) something different from "It was literally hell". (see what I did there, with the quotations marks and period??)


§ ita § - May 16, 2011 8:50:50 am PDT #21438 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

"hellish" is not the same thing as "hell"

Well, it's clear that the usage I'm citing was wrong, isn't it? My point is, literally is not being used to call out "not what I'm actually saying" but instead as an intensifier to indicate "it's TOTALLY like this". And the "like" part is the least of it, with its implication of not actual equivalence.


Steph L. - May 16, 2011 8:51:03 am PDT #21439 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I don't recall ever seeing it used to mean the exact opposite. I usually see it used as a fervent intensifier.

But...there's literally (meaning, it is what it says on the box), and then there's figuratively (meaning, it is not what it says on the box; you are making a comparison via metaphor). There's no third option. Fervent intensification is generally done via metaphor. (And swearing.)

Have I ever given a damn about this? Do you think it's likely I'm going to start now?

No, you're stubborn like that. You're going to be sixty-three and snapping at the new kid in the office, "It's spelled 'l-e-d-e'."

You left out the part where I shake my cane menacingly at the new kid.


§ ita § - May 16, 2011 8:55:47 am PDT #21440 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess my point is that no one is every going to swap "literal" for "figurative" any time soon. Figurative is implied by the misuse, but it's not the emphasis of it. It's just a corollary. So no one's using "literal" to mean "figurative", they're just implying figurative every time.


erikaj - May 16, 2011 8:58:28 am PDT #21441 of 30000
Always Anti-fascist!

It is, though. also, "hed," "sked," and "ded" Although the journalism term that got me in the most trouble was "sexy", as meaning "Moving of hearts and minds," more than "erotic" Around the newsroom, it makes total sense to say that sports stadia are sexier than public transit. But when you say it Among the Hooples it seems to mean "I'll wear the cheerleader outfit!"


Burrell - May 16, 2011 8:58:55 am PDT #21442 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I love that I can count on everyone here to be debating punctuation. Literally.

My pet peeve is 'their.' I had a student rant in class the other day, "Why do teachers hate it when students use 'their' for the third person gender neutral? Why don't teachers just accept it already?!?" My answer was that most people aren't gender neutral, they are gender something, and I was tired of reading papers with sentences like: "A pregnant woman should talk to their doctor about..." @@


Polter-Cow - May 16, 2011 9:01:03 am PDT #21443 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

One of my friends in college reasoned that it was the "royal they."


§ ita § - May 16, 2011 9:02:58 am PDT #21444 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My answer was that most people aren't gender neutral, they are gender something

But we still need a word! There are plenty of times you don't know a gender, and you'd be being either inaccurate or rude by picking one.

Also, isn't it a long-time usage of it as gender neutral?


Steph L. - May 16, 2011 9:03:33 am PDT #21445 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

So no one's using "literal" to mean "figurative", they're just implying figurative every time.

Wait. I really think the second half of your sentence disproves the first half. If they're implying figurative-ness, then they *are* using "literal" to mean "figurative."