Kaylee: H-how did you... g-get on...? Early: Strains the mind a bit, don't it? You think you're all alone. Maybe I come down the chimney, Kaylee. Bring presents to the good girls and boys.

'Objects In Space'


Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2011 3:47:49 pm PDT #18849 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If you had been fearful, would you have not have moved away?

Fearful people react in a variety of ways, including aggression.

You know, like dogs.


sj - Apr 02, 2011 3:48:20 pm PDT #18850 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Bonny, sure. Just send me an e-mail toh my profile addy when you get the chance so that I have a reminder? My memory sucks.


beekaytee - Apr 02, 2011 3:50:10 pm PDT #18851 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Thanks, sj. insent. Any inspiration is appreciated.


beekaytee - Apr 02, 2011 3:51:57 pm PDT #18852 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Fearful people react in a variety of ways, including aggression.

And still exhibit physical markers for fear. Ironically, exactly like dogs.


Ginger - Apr 02, 2011 3:54:49 pm PDT #18853 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I got in the strangest argument with a neighbor once. I knew she was afraid of dogs, although she claims she just doesn't like them. We have the world's worst mailman, and apparently one reason he smashes packages into mailboxes and abandons them in the middle of the driveway is that he's afraid of dogs. I suggested to her that perhaps the mailman had chosen the wrong line of work and she went into long rant about how someone shouldn't have to risk his life for a job.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2011 3:58:05 pm PDT #18854 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And still exhibit physical markers for fear. Ironically, exactly like dogs.

I grant that you're an expert on dog behavior, but I don't think you can read the human heart like you think you can here.

I think the woman had wildly inappropriate behavior, but all I'm seeing from your description is that you were angered on Bartleby's behalf. That he would be perceived as a bad dog. And your behavior in going back to get the name of her company - that was invasive, retributive and passive aggressive.

Just my read, but humans are quite fallible at reading others motives.

Anyway, I don't even feel particularly judgmental on the matter. Her reaction was overblown and yours was understandable. But if you think you can presume that you know what her motives and behavior were coming from after one negative interaction on the street, then I think you're very wrong.

It's no different than diagnosing somebody over the internet after hearing about their behavior in one instance. It would be malpractice if a therapist did that.


beekaytee - Apr 02, 2011 3:58:49 pm PDT #18855 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

I suggested to her that perhaps the mailman had chosen the wrong line of work and she went into long rant about how someone shouldn't have to risk his life for a job.

I actually agree that post people, delivery people and such, should be able to ply their trade without fear of being bitten or chased.

This is why I work hard to teach everyone I can get my hands on to train their dogs away from aggressive behavior. It can totally be done.

I just wish that people understood how much their own behavior can save them (much of the time) from what they fear most.


beekaytee - Apr 02, 2011 4:03:03 pm PDT #18856 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

I'm seeing from your description is that you were angered on Bartleby's behalf. That he would be perceived as a bad dog. And your behavior in going back to get the name of her company - that was invasive, retributive and passive aggressive.

I can see why you would think this, but honestly, I wasn't offended on Bartleby's part at all. He was right by my side, completely calm and not even remotely 'out of line.' If he had been, I'd have been embarrassed, not offended.

What did bother me was creating a public scene over virtually nothing. If it were my company, I would want to know that my employee was making me look like that.

It's no different than diagnosing somebody over the internet after hearing about their behavior in one instance. It would be malpractice if a therapist did that.

Have you ever seen me do this David?


Ginger - Apr 02, 2011 4:06:56 pm PDT #18857 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

In the case of this postman, his fear is really overblown, since I've only seen a handful of loose dogs in this neighborhood in 20 years. The county is really aggressive about animal control.

Also, I have trouble feeling understanding about a person who pounds packages into mailboxes so tightly that I've had to put one foot on the mailbox post and pull with both hands.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2011 4:08:14 pm PDT #18858 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Have you ever seen me do this David?

I didn't see you diagnosing her, but you ascribed motive to her behavior and I don't think you can.