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Spike's Bitches 46: Don't I get a cookie?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


beekaytee - Feb 19, 2011 8:55:03 am PST #15825 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

I'm just going to savor my dish of schadenfreude with a side of mild guilt, and move on.

A choice I totally respect.


Trudy Booth - Feb 19, 2011 9:06:52 am PST #15826 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Then they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

Yes, but ANONYMOUS aren't an unstopable government dragging WBC to death camps, they're a bunch of kids fucking up their website. Proportion matters, that's why Godwin's Law is so effective.

It's a nonviolent protest. Nonviolent matters in these things. Object away and think they're assholes if you do -- but there is a big difference between this behavior and causing or even risking bodily harm. An enormous difference.


§ ita § - Feb 19, 2011 9:44:04 am PST #15827 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's a nonviolent protest. Nonviolent matters in these things

Would you characterise theft as nonviolent? Defensible against WBC?

Excusing hacking because no one gets hurt in a campaign against people who aren't violent either seems a bit weird. Obviously a lot of damage can be done without physical harm. It's much of the point.


Laura - Feb 19, 2011 10:25:13 am PST #15828 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

waves to Bonny and other DCistas

Wow! It is crazy windy here. The National Christmas tree blew down. We drove through some kind a big wildfire on the way in from BWI. But we are settled in and happy to be visiting DC.

Hi, ND! My SIL wants a group of us to take a cruise together some time this spring. It has been quite a long time since I was on one.

I am having a bit of trouble summoning any sympathy for WBC. I do understand and agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right, and yet not running to defend them.


tommyrot - Feb 19, 2011 10:27:10 am PST #15829 of 30000
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I am having a bit of trouble summoning any sympathy for WBC. I do understand and agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right, and yet not running to defend them.

Me too.

You know what'd be funny? If a group of gay atheist hackers defended the WBC from Anonymous.


NoiseDesign - Feb 19, 2011 10:39:27 am PST #15830 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

Hi, ND! My SIL wants a group of us to take a cruise together some time this spring. It has been quite a long time since I was on one.

Come on the SpongeBob cruise in the Mediterranean this summer. Really, it will be great, trust me.


Ginger - Feb 19, 2011 10:44:21 am PST #15831 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Really, it will be great, trust me.

Will there be a "Beat Spongebob and His Friends into a Pulp" session?


Laura - Feb 19, 2011 10:48:21 am PST #15832 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I think I could even talk my sons into the SpongeBob cruise. Is this the one Pix is joining you on?


Trudy Booth - Feb 19, 2011 10:49:48 am PST #15833 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Excusing hacking because no one gets hurt in a campaign against people who aren't violent either seems a bit weird. Obviously a lot of damage can be done without physical harm. It's much of the point.

It's not a "bit weird" its the basis of civil disobedience. There is a whole philosophy behind it, the philosophy being that its ok to break the law and cause disruptions in order to affect change if you don't cause your target bodily harm by doing so.

Sitting down at lunch counters was illegal and theft. By law, those owners weren't doing anything wrong by refusing to serve black patrons. When something is legal but not moral, a proponent of civil disobedience will go ahead and break that law.

I do have an objection to the protest, however, and that is that it is too open-ended. There is no clear "We will do X untill you stop doing Y". "If you picket another funeral we will ruin your site" would be a MUCH better protest than "We'll hack your site until you shut up and go away forever". It's bad protest tactics and will prove ineffective for a long time before (and if) it ever works.

But that is to be expected, I'm afraid. The art of protest has really suffered for a while now. "We don't like the world bank so we're going to stop traffic and screw up everybody's commute" is so pointless it makes me scream. At least ACT-UP's "we're going to lock up this bridge for a day and make you people talk about AIDS" had an actual goal (if not stated cause-and-effect terms).


NoiseDesign - Feb 19, 2011 10:51:24 am PST #15834 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

I think I could even talk my sons into the SpongeBob cruise. Is this the one Pix is joining you on?

Yes, this is the one that Pix is planning on joining me. That's a little up in the air right now but hopefully it's all going to work out with the cruise line and she will be there.