I mean, let's say you did kill us. Or didn't. There could be torture. Whatever. But somehow you found the goods. What would your cut be?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Jul 01, 2010 10:22:48 am PDT #9976 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

I'm with ita on the silver fox FCM...it might have gone differently if I did not love "Good Night And Good Luck" so much.


tommyrot - Jul 01, 2010 10:30:58 am PDT #9977 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Andrew Sullivan rips the NYT a new one on their coverage of torture during the Bush administration:

The NYT: We Changed Reality Because Cheney Wanted Us To

But it is not an opinion that waterboarding is torture; it is a fact, recognized by everyone on the planet as such - and by the NYT in its news pages as such - for centuries. What we have here is an admission that the NYT did change its own established position to accommodate the Cheneyite right.

So their journalism is dictated by whatever any government says. In any dispute, their view is not: what is true? But: how can we preserve our access to the political right and not lose pro-torture readers? If you want a locus classicus for why the legacy media has collapsed, look no further.

So if anyone wants to get the NYT to use a different word in order to obfuscate the truth, all they need to do is make enough noise so there is a political dispute about a question. If there's a political dispute, the NYT will retreat. And so we now know that its core ethos is ceding the meaning of words to others, rather than actually deciding for itself how to call torture torture. Orwell wrote about this in his classic "Politics and the English Language." If newspapers will not defend the English language from the propaganda of war criminals, who will? And it is not as if they haven't made this call before - when they routinely called waterboarding torture. They already had a view. They changed it so as not to offend. In so doing, they knowingly printed newspeak in their paper - not because they believed in it, but because someone else might.

This is not editing. It is surrender. It is not journalism; it is acquiescence to propaganda. It strikes me as much more egregious a failing than, say, the Jayson Blair scandal. Because it reaches to the very top, was a conscious decision and reveals the empty moral center in the most important newspaper in the country.


Nora Deirdre - Jul 01, 2010 10:39:39 am PDT #9978 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Oh, fuck, Dana, I'm sorry.


javachik - Jul 01, 2010 10:40:52 am PDT #9979 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Dana, that's terrible and I am sorry to hear it.

Thanks for the confirmation on the zucchini non-peeling. I don't, usually, but since I'm self-taught, I sometimes have no idear what I am doing. For instance, I made a really good potato soup a few weeks back but it would have been a hell of a lot better if I'd peeled the potatoes. They had been grilled, and the grilled, tough skins didn't take well to soup. But they tasted great when just eating the potatoes. So I am learning.

I am afraid to let a frozen banana thaw! I always peel 'em before freezing and stick 'em in smoothies like others here report. I have never made banana bread out of once-frozen bananas, but now I shall try!


Strega - Jul 01, 2010 10:41:40 am PDT #9980 of 30001

Is that an "mmmph" of being impressed, or being surprised, or something else?

Oh, sorry; it's the "mmmph" of I'm certainly not sniffling after reading that story, no sir.


Steph L. - Jul 01, 2010 10:44:13 am PDT #9981 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Oh, sorry; it's the "mmmph" of I'm certainly not sniffling after reading that story, no sir.

Heh. Nor was I, not even a little bit, nope, nuh-uh.


Aims - Jul 01, 2010 10:51:21 am PDT #9982 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Cold bastards. I was SOBBING.


§ ita § - Jul 01, 2010 10:51:51 am PDT #9983 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mel Gibson goes off the racist, abusive deep end.


tommyrot - Jul 01, 2010 10:52:57 am PDT #9984 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh dear God.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 01, 2010 10:53:09 am PDT #9985 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Oh, sorry; it's the "mmmph" of I'm certainly not sniffling after reading that story, no sir.

Oh good. I was full out crying, and I couldn't figure out why you were irritated by it!