We can come by between classes. Usually I use that time to copy over my class notes with a system of different colored pens. But it's been pointed out to me that that's, you know...insane.

Willow ,'Showtime'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Oct 07, 2010 9:20:23 am PDT #28157 of 30001

Eh, I don't have a problem with legally supporting a person's right to make choices while also feeling personally that individual choices are not good ones. If there was a law on the books that would impede Michelle Duggar's right to have 317 children, I would fight it. How I personally feel about her lifestyle is a whole separate issue.

This. Goes along with the whole "disagree with what you're saying but will fight for your right to say it". I find myself in the horribly unfortunate position of agreeing with the evil jackasses who protest at military funerals. I don't think they should, I think what they're saying is ridiculous and hurtful...but saying they can't? Worries me. What if I want to protest at a president's funeral? A celebrity? My deadbeat dad who left me out of the will after not paying child support? Where does the line get drawn?


Ginger - Oct 07, 2010 9:23:27 am PDT #28158 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I take Benadryl and Ambien together without any problem. Benadryl doesn't make me sleepy, though; I take it so that I can still breathe through my nose in the morning. My experience with Ambien is that the right amount puts me to sleep in about 20 minutes and that's it's very dosage sensitive. He might try 1 1/2 and then 2 pills.


Strix - Oct 07, 2010 9:30:00 am PDT #28159 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Yep, everyone's body is different. If he's a bigger guy, 15 mgs might work better.


ChiKat - Oct 07, 2010 9:31:03 am PDT #28160 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Perhaps I should rephrase to "paid like rock stars."

I heartily endorse this plan.

I forget what the first one was, but it was habit-forming and he decided he'd rather not use it, so now he's trying Ambien

Just an FYI, Ambien is habit-forming, too, just not as bad as other sleep aids.


ChiKat - Oct 07, 2010 9:38:31 am PDT #28161 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Where are the natterers? I'm bored..... Entertain me?


tommyrot - Oct 07, 2010 9:39:56 am PDT #28162 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I've run out of internets....

This is cool:

Bucky Fuller's Dymaxion hits the road

In 1933, Buckminster Fuller designed the Dymaxion car, a concept vehicle that could hold 11 passengers and had a fuel efficiency of 30+ miles per gallon. Three prototypes were built, but the only survivor is in the National Automobile Museum in Reno, Nevada. Recently though, renowned UK architect Norman Foster, one of Fuller's colleagues late in his life, commissioned construction of his own Dymaxion car. Right now, it's on exhibition at the Bucky Fuller & Spaceship Earth exhibition in Madrin, Spain.


Kate P. - Oct 07, 2010 9:40:00 am PDT #28163 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Thanks, Erin and Ginger! I'll check with him tonight and see which version he's on and at what dosage. All I know is that it cost $50 for 30 pills, and it's not covered by his insurance. (His doc initially was going to have him try Lunesta, until he found out it was $295 for a one-month supply!)

He took it after drinking a beer both nights, so I think tonight he was planning to try it without alcohol, which does sometimes make him wake up in the night. Wine is even worse for him than beer in that regard, so that may not work for him, but taking it on an empty stomach would definitely be worth trying, and increasing the dosage too.

Thank you!

Just an FYI, Ambien is habit-forming, too, just not as bad as other sleep aids.

Yeah, that's good to keep in mind. I would sort of assume that all sleep aids would be habit-forming to some degree, at least for those with chronic insomnia, which is Mark's case. So I don't know how he'll deal with that in the long term.


Jesse - Oct 07, 2010 9:53:15 am PDT #28164 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I would imagine that getting sleep would be a better habit than not sleeping, in the long run... But I'm not a doctor.


Trudy Booth - Oct 07, 2010 9:55:54 am PDT #28165 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I've been lucky with ambien. It can break an insomnia cycle for me. So, its cronic in that it returns, but it can stay away for a while too.


Strix - Oct 07, 2010 9:58:25 am PDT #28166 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

If it's $50 for 30 pills, it's the generic. Lunesta doesn't have a generic, and I don't think it's as effective for Ambien.

Long-term, when he's got insurance, he needs to see a sleep specialist and do a sleep study, to rule out serious apnea. That's about all it's good for, but it's a first step. About the only thing I know that's good for long-term chronic insomnia is cognitive-behavioral therapy.

Things he can do without insurance is exercise, stress relief activities, and establishing a bedtime ritual and good sleep hygiene (I swear, that's what they call it.) Stuff like no media in the bedroom, try to shut down on TV/internet usage at LEAST an hour before bed, cut WAY the hell back on caffeine (I drink one large cup off coffee right when I get up), a cool room, not going to bed too hungry or overfull.

Things like that.