That seems pretty dumb. I mean, my SS card is from 1980, and it's some crappy piece of blue paper that's all tore up. I could quite possibly have made it in my 2nd grade art class.

Much non-murder~ma, Aims.

They wouldn't even accept my passport as proof of identity!

That seems odd. I mean, if it's good enough to tell every boarder guard in the world that you're a US citizen, it seems it should be good enough for the DMV.

But can't you get an SS card even if you're not a citizen? As opposed to a birth certificate, which seems pretty cut and dried.

(A co-worker of mine has to get a new birth certificate because he was born in PR, and his doesn't have the right kind of watermark or something. Seems to me having a birth certificate that's the same age as you would be LESS suspicious than having a brand-new one, but hey what do I know.)

In California, I couldn't get away with just my NY license, I had to show a birth certificate or passport and, annoyingly, the name on my license had to match it exactly, so, even though I just wanted to use my middle initial, like every other document and credit card I carry around, I had to use my whole middle name.

Ooh, cause the aloe always dries right up, Smonster? Awesome. Will have to try next time (since I cannot fool myself that I will not have another bad sunburn).

Yes! Exactly! And there's no fragrance or anything to irritate your skin. I'm wearing a strapless bra today, which is not fun but beats the pain of shoulder straps.

I need to turn in my mommy card. I knew better than to start a certain conversation and yet I dove in anyway. Now the girl won't come out of her room.

Awww, Suzi. It'll be okay. Sometimes being a mommy is having hard conversations that make for awkward times.

That's a fur piece driving solo.

Let me know if you need a place to stay in NC, okay? I have a foldout couch and Frankie loves all doggies. The cats would likely just disappear. NY to NC is about 10 hrs, depending on how you hit traffic.

So, texas requires proof of citizenship to transfer my current/non-expired license from ny. Is that normal?

Yeah, I brought my SS card and passport (a bit overkill, but I didn't want to go back to the place a third time)

But can't you get an SS card even if you're not a citizen? As opposed to a birth certificate, which seems pretty cut and dried.

Actually, Tom's SS card (acquired when he first moved here on a work visa) says something on it like CANNOT BE USED AS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP.

New York doesn't care if you're a citizen for many things, as long as you are a resident. I wonder if the proportion of non-citizens with driving jobs is higher in NYS....

(A co-worker of mine has to get a new birth certificate because he was born in PR, and his doesn't have the right kind of watermark or something. Seems to me having a birth certificate that's the same age as you would be LESS suspicious than having a brand-new one, but hey what do I know.)

I think that's stupidly true for everyone born in PR, right?

Well, a SS wouldn't necessarily prove citzenship, but it would prove you were here legally, which is (I assume) what they care about.

Right, you don't have to be a citizen to get a drivers license, just a legal resident.

Trudy, I think you'll find doing two 10-hour days the easiest.

Driving 11 1/2 hours back from North Carolina wasn't bad at all, although my circumstances were different in that I had another person with me.

Still, I recommend books on tape/CD. Makes the time go SO MUCH FASTER.