Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness. Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.

'Never Leave Me'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Typo Boy - Jul 01, 2010 5:51:53 pm PDT #10076 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Huh. I think Hil and my ancestors came over in the same time frame. I bet a fair number of Jews can say this. In the late 19th can early 20th century Jews mostly lived in Ghettos and did not have a huge opportunity to marry or dally with non-Jews in the U.S. Not universal, but Jewish immigrants marrying Jewish immigrants, and descendents of Jewish immigrants marrying descendents of Jewish immigrants would be really common in that time frame.


megan walker - Jul 01, 2010 5:56:10 pm PDT #10077 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

An email from ancestry.com tells me that 60% of Americans have "Revolutionary War roots."

Since I'm first-generation on one side and second on the other, I rather doubt it. And given that my grandparents were born in the 1880s, I think we would be aware if they were Lafayettes or Kosciuszkos.


meara - Jul 01, 2010 5:57:15 pm PDT #10078 of 30001

Hmm. I know that all my dad's grandparents or great-grandparents came over in the 1860s-ish (made it through the potato famine and THEN came here!). My mom's mom's family came over in the early 1900s (...and then there was some kind of crazy scandal where her dad's brother's wife had an affair with the BIL, or some nonsense, so the brother and wife ended up going BACK to Denmark?). My mom's dad...his mom was from Poland...his dad...not so sure. But I think they were immigrants too.


Hil R. - Jul 01, 2010 6:01:32 pm PDT #10079 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The earliest that I've found anybody related to me in the US was my great-great-grandfather's brother, who immigrated from Germany in 1861.


§ ita § - Jul 01, 2010 6:01:56 pm PDT #10080 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Thanks, guys.

I'm one of the few people who can be certain not to have ancestors in the Revolutionary war

It's not so hard, really.


Hil R. - Jul 01, 2010 6:03:43 pm PDT #10081 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Not universal, but Jewish immigrants marrying Jewish immigrants, and descendents of Jewish immigrants marrying descendents of Jewish immigrants would be really common in that time frame.

Several older relatives considered my parents to have a "mixed marriage" because my dad's family is from Germany and Austria and my mom's family is from Eastern Europe.


sarameg - Jul 01, 2010 6:04:43 pm PDT #10082 of 30001

My family is pretty recent. Paternals came over in the 1910-20s from Sweden. Maternals...probably potato famine, I don't know. Irish, mostly, but fairly muttly Irish, no real irish identity left. Maternal name line is related to the Brontes and Waldos (of Waldo Emerson,) distantly. I'm named after a Sara Waldo, a greatsomthing grandmother. In a few wistful and rare moments overridden by reality, I wish I could have a daughter so I could name her after my grandmother Tresabel. But I don't want to be a mother even for that.


Hil R. - Jul 01, 2010 6:08:53 pm PDT #10083 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Oy. Jon Stewart's coverage of the Kagan hearings has put together a bunch of clips that were, well, kind of what I expected, but I really didn't expect anything quite so blatant as "You have a belief system that most people where I come from don't have," (not an exact quote, but pretty close -- I don't feel like rewinding.)


brenda m - Jul 01, 2010 6:18:36 pm PDT #10084 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

On my dad's side I know there's direct lineage to the Rev War on both his mother's and father's side.

But my mom emmigrated from Canada (she'd probably smack me for using that term, only because she always considered it temporary) and both of her parents were immigrants from England to Canada. I suppose that doesn't rule out someone involved in the Revolution who went back. And it certainly doesn't rule out someone involved on the other side.

60 still seems high, if we're talking direct, traceable lineage. For one thing (and not having looked into it further) it strikes me that this is the kind of study that is largely looking at, and of interest to, white people. Obviously, not everyone with history dating back then is white. But in terms of knowing or documenting it - that seems like a largely white pastime, and likely much more possible for them than others. So I guess I'm skeptical anyone could figure out a number with any realism to it anyway.


amych - Jul 01, 2010 6:27:57 pm PDT #10085 of 30001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

But in terms of knowing or documenting it - that seems like a largely white pastime, and likely much more possible for them than others.

I had that thought too, and wondered if the 60% came from something like 60% of genealogy researchers on their site, rather than 60% of the actual population.