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Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Mar 27, 2010 8:29:35 am PDT #19119 of 30001

I never liked milk.

I have baked and put away 5 & 1/2 dozen cookies. Shall go for a walk in a bit, I think.


Jesse - Mar 27, 2010 8:32:31 am PDT #19120 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I just ate a bowl of cereal before making cream of asparagus soup. MILK!!!


Barb - Mar 27, 2010 8:32:42 am PDT #19121 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

According to the NIH [link] (PDF file), 50-80% of Hispanics are lactose intolerant. Lactose intolerance is least common among people of northern European descent.

It appears that's a very limited report. Those ranges are awfully broad for one thing, suggesting the reporting groups were on the smaller side. What was the methodology employed? Was it self-reporting in terms of the ethnic backgrounds? How was the lactose intolerance tested? Was it tested or was THAT self-reported?

Perhaps the most telling statement is this:

Research shows that lactase is high at birth in all infants regardless of race or ethnicity, but wanes by age 5 to 7 in non-Caucasians and other populations that don't traditionally include dairy products in their diets.

That statement would seem to suggest that it's not so much the genetic background, but the culture of including dairy in a diet. Whether that culture is ethnic or situational is somewhat irrelevant to the end result.


Jesse - Mar 27, 2010 8:38:02 am PDT #19122 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In news about my upcoming soup, the canned broth I had was with roasted garlic. I hope that wasn't a mistake.


Hil R. - Mar 27, 2010 8:44:02 am PDT #19123 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

There are a bunch of different studies showing similar results about lactose intolerance in various ethnic groups. I think the pamphlet was reporting the range from various studies. And since various studies pretty consistently show lactose intolerance in the vast majority of Native Americans, it would make sense that there would be a high incidence in those Hispanic groups that have a lot of Native American ancestry. (I don't know enough about Cuban history to even be able to speculate about the ancestry of Cubans.)

As for genetic vs cultural things, I know that the plural of anecdote is not data, but I know plenty of Ashkenazi Jews (including most of my family) who grew up in the American culture of having several glasses of milk a day and still ended up lactose intolerant by the middle of elementary school. (I also know at least one person who takes advantage of this by having a latte every morning, thus making her uncomfortable enough that she can't eat much for lunch. She says this is dieting.)


sumi - Mar 27, 2010 8:44:46 am PDT #19124 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I woke up at 6:30, fed the cat and went back to sleep and woke up again at 12:35. That counts as sleeping in, rather than napping, right?


smonster - Mar 27, 2010 8:54:36 am PDT #19125 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

I slept until 1:15. Woke up at the alarm I had set for CrossFit, then went back to sleep and dreamt I was there. Classic.

Today I need to run some errands, including buying an 80s prom dress for rugby alumni weekend. I do love a theme party.


Hil R. - Mar 27, 2010 8:56:46 am PDT #19126 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Now I'm wondering whether other mammals tend to be lactose intolerant once they get out of babyhood. Adult cats will still drink milk, right? But I don't think I've ever seen anyone give milk to a dog. Most mammals in the wild would have no reason to keep producing lactase once they're weaned, but I wonder if they do anyway.

Hmm. I must google.

Edit: OK, found a bunch of articles saying that most mammals stop producing lactase after weaning.


javachik - Mar 27, 2010 9:00:29 am PDT #19127 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

It sure seems that nature intends for babies to stop suckling at some point, and there'd be no other source of milk after suckling (in nature).


sumi - Mar 27, 2010 9:01:05 am PDT #19128 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Cats will drink milk but it totally upsets their stomach. They just don't care.

Dogs will eat ice cream. I'm sure that means that they'll drink milk if you let them.