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Pat Robertson doesn't seem to realize that Haiti became independent in 1803, and Napoleon III didn't come to power until 1848.
Anyone who gets such a basic fact wrong isn't the most credible commentator on the subject.
Of course, being Pat Robertson, he pretty much starts out with negative credibility.
Among the highlights: part of the debt Haiti still pays today are reparations to France for the loss of French property in freeing slaves.
Are you sure? I couldn't find any cite that Haiti still pays this amount, rather that it was paid a century ago and Haiti is currently asking for reparations from France.
You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever.
I think he's confusing Haïti with Mexico. Among other things.
On the other hand, there's a lot of severe poverty all over the Caribbean. So maybe foreign interference is a factor all over the region.
This. Plus Haiti was the first place we interfered in without taking over. Plus it got the double whammy of joint French/U.S. intervention. A lot of the intervention was malicious and punitive rather than direct looting which also makes a difference. U.S. was determined that Haiti would not be bad example that encouraged slave results. France was determined that Haiti would not be a bad example to colonies who might consider revolting and winning independence from France. So there was a lot of deliberate focus on keeping Haiti poor and miserable. It was not put that way, but policies included cutting off trade, imposing debts that obviously could not be paid and so on. And then by mid and late 19tch centuries this shifted more to normal imperialism, but against a nation already damaged by earlier deliberate immiseration.
Are you sure? I couldn't find any cite that Haiti still pays this amount, rather that it was paid a century ago and Haiti is currently asking for reparations from France.
To be exact it was paid, but via refinancing. And then that debt was refinanced. So Haiti borrowed to pay that debt (along with others) then borrowed again to pay that debt. So yeah, part of Haiti's current debt is in fact for slavery. It is just indirect. Maybe the current government phrases it as "reperations" but Aristide referred to it as an end to Haiti paying reperations.
There's already a Wikipedia edit about the Pat Robertson remarks: [link]
It surmises that Robertson's remarks are about the role of voodou in the revolution.
And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.'
THEY?!?!? Like every single person on Haiti? "they" all got together and agreed on that? Or Pat, are you implying that the leaders could speak for the souls of all the people they lead? That would mean Obama could speak for your soul, Pat, you stupid, hateful, ignorance-spreading, vile, un-Christian, pile of SHIT.
"Could you just die, Pat? Could you do that, huh?"
Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts
That's certainly all a country needs for its people to be happy. Tons of resorts.
My head hurts, bordering on a lot, and I am having a Bastard love child of Tino and a polar bear kind of day. I'm afraid if I look at the Haiti pictures I might start crying.
That being said,
It didn't so much ruin it as be WAY funnier. I wish I'd seen the show first, then both of them would have been funnier.
True, and good point.
However, I am continually amused by the Lem/Phil no look chest bump.
Me too!