They should film that story and show it every Christmas.

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Spike's Bitches 45: That sure as hell wasn't in the brochure.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Steph L. - Jan 07, 2010 7:02:13 pm PST #6073 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Also good tips. Easier said than done, but yeah.

Ignoring the guilt trips is the only effective way to deal with them, because there is NO conversation you can have with her about them that will end up in your favor. That's how guilt trips work.

A modicum is all I have left!

Well, you'd best hang on to it then! Maybe get one of those bags that you suck the air out of with a vacuum cleaner to store sweaters and such, and put the modicum in there. That'll keep it well preserved.


Steph L. - Jan 07, 2010 7:03:12 pm PST #6074 of 30000
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Teppy is wise, and more articulate than I.

I earned that wisdom the hard way, and I have the scars to prove it.


beth b - Jan 07, 2010 7:04:09 pm PST #6075 of 30000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Well, and your future wife will prefer you slightly sane.

and I might take the next few days to practice your response. Because if you are like me , even when no one is there you will want to think of brilliant arguments that will convince them that you are correct ( and in practice , you will be brilliant)


Vortex - Jan 07, 2010 7:07:24 pm PST #6076 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I hug you both by proxy.

I snuggle our ample busoms together by proxy. Wish you were here.


NoiseDesign - Jan 07, 2010 7:22:32 pm PST #6077 of 30000
Our wings are not tired

P-C, hang in there. I've been through those kinds of guilt trips with my family over the years, right up to the guilt trip mom tried to play on me with Kristin and I going to Hawaii by ourselves to get married. You just can't play into it. Good on you for taking a stand.


Polter-Cow - Jan 07, 2010 7:23:42 pm PST #6078 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It's easier with all of your support. Thank you guys.


Burrell - Jan 07, 2010 7:24:19 pm PST #6079 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Steph, I love you. I would so marry you right now!


WindSparrow - Jan 07, 2010 7:57:08 pm PST #6080 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

smonster and Vortex in the same room.... Sounds like a lovely time will be had by all. Well, except the breaking up bit. But what better company to do it in?

P-C, Teppy's strategy on dealing with guilt trips is not only practical in that it obviously works for her, but it is sound in behavior modification theory as well - of the kind I have to use every day at work. Removing any form of reinforcement (i.e. do not respond in any way, as even negative responses provide reinforcement) for inappropriate behavior will tend to extinguish the behavior. But the kicker is, that it often takes many trials of this method before the behavior is extinguished because the individual can remember that the behavior got the reward in the past. You have to stick to it, no matter how long it takes. If you hold out for a while, and then give in, you teach the individual that it is worth keeping up the behavior because eventually they get the reward. And then the next time you try ignoring it, it will take all that much longer to extinguish the behavior. Also, responding to neutral and positive behaviors will reinforce those behaviors and will tend to increase the incidence of them.

Right, IOW, Listen to Teppy; Teppy is wise.


Strix - Jan 07, 2010 8:21:30 pm PST #6081 of 30000
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Happy Birthday, MM!!

ION, I am ENGAGED TO BE MARRIED!!!

OMGWTFBBQ!


Polter-Cow - Jan 07, 2010 8:22:24 pm PST #6082 of 30000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Wow, congratulations, Erin!!