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Shir - Aug 25, 2010 6:58:42 am PDT #29974 of 30000
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I don't understand, then, how the word "dishonest" (or "suspicious") applies. Ever.

Yes, as you wrote - "suspicious" from my-inspiring-to-be-as-wholesome-as-possible-perspective. Not theirs.

their experience simply doesn't match up with the second person's experience.

In my world, most of the first persons are trying over and over to convince the second persons that the dessert, in fact, tastes like shit. I never said people (or my thinking) are easy.

I don't understand thinking they might be dishonest because you don't have a frame of reference to compare it against (i.e., You say giving birth was beautiful, but since I haven't experienced that, I'll have to ask other people if their experience was also beautiful before I can believe that you really truly meant what you said.)

Please, please, please take "believe" out of it. "Understand" is the verb. Because I do, in fact, believe that their description is how they felt about it. But I'd understand people and their experiences better given a frame of reference. So the experience only doesn't count much on my "belief-o-meter", so to speak. Not because they're lying or trying to trick me - but because I could relate to them so much better, as human beings, given something more than just a personal experience. Otherwise, it's just thin description (to my perspective).

What do you know. I guess it's really all. about. me. (in the end).


Volans - Aug 25, 2010 7:06:38 am PDT #29975 of 30000
move out and draw fire

for Hil's officemate: [link]


Barb - Aug 25, 2010 7:21:01 am PDT #29976 of 30000
“Not dead yet!”

Happy Belated Birthday, Erin!!


Jessica - Aug 25, 2010 7:23:41 am PDT #29977 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

In general, I agree with this, now if they were talking Medicaid that would be a different story.

Bwahaha - I didn't catch that, but um, yeah.

Please, please, please take "believe" out of it. "Understand" is the verb.

In this case, "suspicious" is not the word you want to be using. Because "I'm suspicious of what you just said" is synonymous with "I don't believe you."


beekaytee - Aug 25, 2010 7:26:04 am PDT #29978 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

"I'm suspicious of what you just said" is synonymous with "I don't believe you."

This is my take as well.

I'm skeptical may seem the same, but in my brain, it translates into "I'm not sold, but I'd like to be. Tell me more."

Is that closer to what you meant Shir?


brenda m - Aug 25, 2010 7:29:20 am PDT #29979 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Because "I'm suspicious of what you just said" is synonymous with "I don't believe you."

This. And "dishonest" is saying that the person is being deliberately deceptive. Not at all the same as "speaking from a limited perspective" or "from a perspective that doesn't mesh with mine" or even "a perspective that is contradicted by the facts."

These are some very loaded terms in English, Shir.


Zenkitty - Aug 25, 2010 7:54:49 am PDT #29980 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

FYI, Shir, women can indeed be color-blind, it's just far less common among women than men. My BFF's mother is red-green color-blind.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2010 7:58:36 am PDT #29981 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And it was in The Lost Heir Job.


Steph L. - Aug 25, 2010 8:03:02 am PDT #29982 of 30000
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.

Shir, I'm grateful that Jess and bonny and brenda have tried to explain the disconnect on using the word "suspicious."

I really can't discuss this any more, because it's frustrating the ever-living shit out of me.


erikaj - Aug 25, 2010 8:10:00 am PDT #29983 of 30000
If Scooby Doo taught me anything, it's that the only thing to fear is real-estate developers.Lisa Simpson

Anyone else reminded of Kelly Kapour saying "I don't talk *trash*, I talk *smack*...Smack talk is just like, right there. Your boyfriend's ugly, and that's a fact. Right now." Just me, then? Do not need to think of snakes big enough to eat goats. DO NOT!