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Daisy Jane - Dec 10, 2009 5:36:06 am PST #2936 of 30000
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

he bits of mainstream atheism that are about being pissed off at Christianity go right over my head

It's mostly about being pissed off that a set of magical beliefs affect the lives of those of us who don't, you know, believe. And, in general, it's Christian beliefs we are supposed to respect/follow.


-t - Dec 10, 2009 5:36:53 am PST #2937 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh, Hil. Glad that one had a happy ending. I really hope your next department is a little less entertaining to read about and a little more efficient.

Congrats, beth! Two decades, woo!

Merry Anything, Everything, or Nothing at all!

I like this.


Hil R. - Dec 10, 2009 5:48:44 am PST #2938 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

And now I'm getting distracted by Orrin Hatch's Chanukah song. [link]


Trudy Booth - Dec 10, 2009 5:54:19 am PST #2939 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Many atheists who were raised in religious households are very adamant about which god/s they don't believe in, is the thing. To a certain kind of ex-Christian atheist, Christmas can't be about Christ, because THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN HIM ANYMORE LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOOUUUUUUUUUU.

Heh. Couple that with "Well YOU belive THIS, and YOU belive THAT..." It's handy because then I get some idea of just who pissed them off, but a) its rarely what I actually believe and b) its pretty rude to insist you know what I am thinking at the top of your lungs. Now, will you stop insisting that you think I'm deluded if I assure you I don't think you're going to hell? (That's usually the second or third nasty thing attributed to what *I* think.)

Like Jessica said, its behavior specific to certain athiests raised in religious households. Households, interetingly enough, where I was not.


Steph L. - Dec 10, 2009 5:56:48 am PST #2940 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

The bits of mainstream atheism that are about being pissed off at Christianity go right over my head

It's mostly about being pissed off that a set of magical beliefs affect the lives of those of us who don't, you know, believe.

"Magical beliefs"? What's magic about them? (That's not a pissy question; I'm just curious.)


Jessica - Dec 10, 2009 6:04:23 am PST #2941 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

It's mostly about being pissed off that a set of magical beliefs affect the lives of those of us who don't, you know, believe.

IME, being raised Christian can make some atheists take this very personally in a way that most non-ex-Christians atheists don't.

The battle cry of the mighty neocon - "America is a Christian nation!" - is heard very differently by people who once believed it than by people who were Part Of The Problem long before they were atheists.


Sparky1 - Dec 10, 2009 6:05:48 am PST #2942 of 30000
Librarian Warlord

Have we discussed the atheist ad campaign here? [link]


Hil R. - Dec 10, 2009 6:09:07 am PST #2943 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

From that article:

“It is the ultimate Grinch to suggest there is no God during a holiday where millions of people around the world celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ,” said Mathew D. Staver, founder and chairman of the Liberty Counsel, a conservative religious law firm, and dean of Liberty University School of Law in Lynchburg, Va. “It is insensitive and mean.”

Isn't the whole point of the Grinch story that the Grinch is irrelevant? He can steal the stuff, but he can't steal Christmas, because Christmas isn't something that can be stolen. This seems like not the analogy he meant.


Jessica - Dec 10, 2009 6:11:31 am PST #2944 of 30000
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Combined with the "The Grinch is Jewish!" conversation we were having yesterday, the whole thing just makes me laugh.


Hil R. - Dec 10, 2009 6:13:27 am PST #2945 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

In Seattle, this year’s signs say “Millions are good without God.” In Las Vegas, signs to be put up this week will say “Reasons Greetings” and “Yes, Virginia ... there is no God.”

The sponsor of the Las Vegas signs, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, created a furor last year with its sign that read, in part, “Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.” Its location was next to a Nativity scene at the Capitol in Olympia.

Most of the signs mentioned in that article hit me as either "Eh, whatever" or "Sure, why not?" But "Reasons Greetings" bugs me, and that one in the second paragraph I do find offensive.