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Vortex - Jun 23, 2010 4:42:28 pm PDT #23614 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Being mistaken for another culture is tiresome, especially when it's one that feels like it's threatening to subsume your own.

Absolutely, but they are often assholes about it, and I don't base this opinion on more than one incident or observation. A polite "I'm canadian, actually" is fine, but I more often saw outbursts and sharp words.


Cashmere - Jun 23, 2010 4:42:46 pm PDT #23615 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

I'm really curious what they serve in McD's in India, where cows are sacred.

The Maharaja Mac! (Which I thought was mutton-based, but that article claims it's chicken.)

On Big Bang Theory, Koothrappali said the Maharaja Mac was chicken!

I'll admit that we ducked into a McDonald's in Paris after a very frightening attack by a French bag lady outside Guard du Nord. And being cheated out of change at the pay toilets at Notre Dame, and being pushed and rudely treated by two French teenagers atop the Eiffel Tower, AND being there on a Tuesday, when the Louvre was closed and DH having to wear his prescription sunglasses on a cold, cloudy day because his glasses had gotten smashed in a club in Camden the night before.

We don't have fond memories of Paris.


Cashmere - Jun 23, 2010 4:44:17 pm PDT #23616 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

It was almost like the scene in Gotcha where the kid escapes East Berlin and walks into a McDonalds in West Berlin and orders "American" everything.


billytea - Jun 23, 2010 4:44:29 pm PDT #23617 of 30000
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I get the NZ defensiveness too, for the same reason.

Yeah, that's fair. And occasionally pretty amusing.

Incidentally, there's a TV show here, a humorous news wrap-up kind of deal, that has a segment where they challenge ad firms to come up with ads for some odd products. One week they did an ad promoting the invasion of New Zealand. (The slogan ran something like "100% Pure. 100% No Army. 100% There for the Taking.")


beekaytee - Jun 23, 2010 4:48:16 pm PDT #23618 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

The Gruen Transfer!

bt, I love that show. The recent one about the mining ads was really interesting. That show? Would never fly in America. We like our fear-based advertising just fine, thanks. No need to see, much less discuss, what is behind it.


javachik - Jun 23, 2010 4:51:40 pm PDT #23619 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I can deal with people being irritated or angry about cultures subsuming their own. What I'm not keen on is the smug sense of superiority that the guy in China had. There's a difference, right?


sj - Jun 23, 2010 4:56:20 pm PDT #23620 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

The Americans that were on our tour of Italy years ago were so awful and rude, that my family and I couldn't be insulted when one of the English citizens on our tour said we weren't like other Americans.


sj - Jun 23, 2010 4:57:20 pm PDT #23621 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Happy Birthday, Teppy!!! I hope it was a wonderful day!


Ginger - Jun 23, 2010 5:04:14 pm PDT #23622 of 30000
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

My friend I traveled with and I worked hard to not reinforce ugly American stereotypes. Once, when we hit an annoying situation at U.S. Customs on the way back, we looked at each other and said, "Hey, we can be rude now. Thank god."


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2010 5:04:52 pm PDT #23623 of 30000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

they are often assholes about it

I've known more Americans who pretend to be Canadian when travelling than I've known Canadians who were assholish about not being American. And that's after a pretty long time living both places. That's where I come at it from. Before I'd even get into counting "ugly tourist" stats. Which, as a Jamaican, just make me want to weep. And then I'd have to get to "ugly host nation" ... and, well, I found writing off Canadians to be little less hostile than Canadians reacting overtly defensively about mistaken identity.