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brenda m - Apr 12, 2010 5:52:50 am PDT #15649 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I just think it's possible for someone to like crap food and still be able to have authority on "fine" food

Definitely. Where I think the disconnect here is if you were to make the argument (and I don't know that anyone has) that, say, "green cardboard parmesan is good cheese," which to my mind is quite different than saying I like it or even that "green cardboard parmesan is good." (Or for that matter, "green cardboard parmesan is cheese.")

Or to use the other example - a super dirty martini may hit the spot sometimes, but that doesn't mean it's a good use of quality gin. It's just not.


Steph L. - Apr 12, 2010 5:58:12 am PDT #15650 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Where I think the disconnect here is if you were to make the argument (and I don't know that anyone has)

I felt like Hec and Jess were, but they may have been just using "people who like crap" as shorthand for "people who believe crap is actually quality." Or I read it that way.


Jessica - Apr 12, 2010 5:58:33 am PDT #15651 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

for some ungodly reason, he likes The Miller. I drink his good stuff.

Again, doesn't this prove my point? What is "the good stuff" if we're only defining quality by what people like without taking into account their level of informedness on the subject at hand?


Zenkitty - Apr 12, 2010 5:59:30 am PDT #15652 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

However, if you like crap food and haven't experienced or learned about other foods, then you don't have an informed opinion.

What if one has experienced and learned about finer foods and beverages, and just doesn't like most of them? Is my opinion that, for example, there is no dish that can make Brussels sprouts edible, unsophisticated or useless? I mean, it would be useless to someone who liked Brussels sprouts, because I can't give them a nuanced opinion of any such dish, but is it an intrinsically worthless opinion? (I don't care; I'm just wondering how I fit into this discussion. I'm understanding the implication from Hec and Jessica to be that anyone who's experienced these finer foods/beverages would prefer them because they are intrinsically better.)


Steph L. - Apr 12, 2010 6:00:11 am PDT #15653 of 30000
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

What is "the good stuff" if we're only defining quality by what people like without taking into account their level of informedness on the subject at hand?

How much food/beverage cred does someone need to establish before they can use a phrase like "the good stuff" without someone wondering if I mean microbrewed stout or Bud Light?


Vortex - Apr 12, 2010 6:02:56 am PDT #15654 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

And also, where does the "just not liking stuff" come into the equation? I have a pretty decent palate, but I just don't like caviar. It doesn't mean that I don't know good food, it means that I don't like caviar.


Vortex - Apr 12, 2010 6:03:57 am PDT #15655 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Zenkitty - Apr 12, 2010 6:04:57 am PDT #15656 of 30000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

What if I like dirty martinis, and that's the only way I like gin, of whatever quality? Should I never drink a dirty martini, because I'm defiling the gin with my olive juice? Or should I just make my martinis with bad gin? (I can taste the difference, BTW. The olive juice does not completely overwhelm the other tastes, to me.)

In fact, I'm not that fond of dirty martinis, but I've had a few, of varying quality, and I liked the high-quality ones better. I have a good friend who loves them more than she loves Hugh Jackman. She makes them with vodka, and she only uses good quality vodka, but I guess that makes her as unsophisticated as me. Even though she likes wine. And gin.


Jessica - Apr 12, 2010 6:06:07 am PDT #15657 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How much food/beverage cred does someone need to establish before they can use a phrase like "the good stuff" without someone wondering if I mean microbrewed stout or Bud Light?

If you asked someone "what's your favorite beer?" and they answered Bud Light, would you let them order a beer for you? Knowing nothing else about their food/drink preferences?


Vortex - Apr 12, 2010 6:06:09 am PDT #15658 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman