That's the thrill of living in the Hellmouth! There's a veritable cornucopia of fiends and devils and ghouls to engage ... Pardon me for finding the glass half-full.

Giles ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


quester - Sep 17, 2009 8:08:30 am PDT #9415 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Happy Birthday, Perkins!


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 17, 2009 8:12:50 am PDT #9416 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

14 isn't even fat, Allyson.

Quite. IMHO, the BMI scales are completely screwy, and that gets added to 'Beauty Myth' stuff* to form one big issue of social control. I am a comfortable size 14 (trying to lose a bit of weight for health reasons, but as always, I will try hard not be too concerned if I can't) and I get really angry when people try to stomp all over the self-esteem of women who are beautiful and should be happy about who they are.

It is, of course, always hardest work applying this to yourself. I have to learn not to look at pictures of myself and think 'fat'. And I swear I look twenty pounds heavier in my wheelchair. Which is very interesting, and says a lot about how women from less-than-standard backgrounds of all kinds are viewed by the rest of society.

*By Naomi Wolf. Who rocks on this subject. Definitely worth reading.


Strega - Sep 17, 2009 8:13:06 am PDT #9417 of 30001

I try not to use the dryer unless I have to. I have a huge drying rack, so I do the wash, and then I hang things to dry, and then... they don't get put away.

Plus, I forget that I have other clothes I could wear that aren't on the drying rack. I was probably better before I got the rack, since then at least then I'd put things on hangers, and it was easy to move them to the closet when they were dry.

I guess I could put the rack in my bedroom, since then it would be in the way and that might motivate me to clear it off so I could put it away. ...But I doubt it.

Stupid laundry. Stupid laziness.


Polter-Cow - Sep 17, 2009 8:27:06 am PDT #9418 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

That's a very odd list in a number of ways. I don't like it.

"The best place to eat [ethnic cuisine] is in [the country of origin]." Yawn. I am not globe-hopping for food!

Also, do people really seek out the best tomato juice in the world? Really? I guess I'm glad it is right here for me to have if I am so inclined, but still.


Zenkitty - Sep 17, 2009 8:29:16 am PDT #9419 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I want to be able to breathe again and feel as if I'm myself.

Barb, this is EXACTLY how I felt about leaving NJ for Charlottesville!

Allyson, I love that tattoo! Also, right now I'd kill to be a size 14 again. That is NOT fat.

Men can be REALLY ANGRY about weight.

No other prejudices are still socially acceptable to have! I sometimes wonder if all the rage that angry people can't openly show towards other races/religions/whathaveyou anymore, has gotten concentrated into a hatred for fat people, especially fat women. Sexism isn't "allowed", but a misogynist can direct his hate towards women who are fat, and disguise it as "disgust at fatness" when it's really hatred of women. Which may be why the definition of "fat" has expanded to smaller and smaller sizes as the other prejudices get driven out of acceptable common conversation. If every woman over a size 6 is "fat", then they get to hate almost all of us!

All the girls in that Mika video are beautiful. Less than 100 years ago, that was the ideal female form. Plumpness meant health and wealth.

msbelle, what's the title of that book you mentioned?

I gave in to my desire to hire a housekeeper - twice a month and it's wonderful. My house is clean and remains so.

Oh, damn, I forgot to put the laundry in the dryer. Since yesterday. Probably have to re-wash. Ergh.

Happy birthday Perkins and Phoenix!

Fred, kitty-ma to Rigatoni!


Nora Deirdre - Sep 17, 2009 8:33:08 am PDT #9420 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

No other prejudices are still socially acceptable to have! I sometimes wonder if all the rage that angry people can't openly show towards other races/religions/whathaveyou anymore, has gotten concentrated into a hatred for fat people, especially fat women. Sexism isn't "allowed", but a misogynist can direct his hate towards women who are fat, and disguise it as "disgust at fatness" when it's really hatred of women.

Heh, I don't know- prejudices of all kinds seem to still be flourishing like whoa with societal acceptance.


brenda m - Sep 17, 2009 8:33:29 am PDT #9421 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

brenda, what bothered you about the list? I have my ish-es with it, wondering what yours are.

It seemed like such a hodge-podge (4. best very specific not all that common dish; 5. best entire national cuisine) and justifications (okay, a quote from an unnamed source who had a good meal there and nothing else, thanks so much for that). And enough inconsistencies (see Megan's note about the "macaroons" to make me think whoever put it together really doesn't know what they're doing.


Vortex - Sep 17, 2009 8:33:56 am PDT #9422 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

No other prejudices are still socially acceptable to have!

my brother says prejudice against rednecks is still okay :)


Daisy Jane - Sep 17, 2009 8:34:35 am PDT #9423 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

And heavens forfend you point it out, because that makes YOU the real racist/sexist/sizist or what have you.


shrift - Sep 17, 2009 8:35:18 am PDT #9424 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

The 50 best things to eat in the world, and where to eat them

No Chicago? I think I think only place I've been to on that list is the Antiga Confeitaria de Belém. That was some good custard goddamn.