Wesley: We're going to bring Angelus in alive. Connor: No we're not. Gunn: I thought you said capturing him wasn't an option. Wesley: Changed my mind. Connor: Change it back.

'Why We Fight'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beth b - Sep 01, 2009 8:51:59 pm PDT #6591 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Part of what I do with my story time is a craft - which can be as simple as a coloring page. yes is creative, but it is fun, yes it also it is something that goes home with them . And then they tell dad, or grandma, or big brother about a story. or sing them a song. It works. Still not enough, but it is amazng how a little effort can make a difference. and I try to get the moms to be invovled. so now two people are singing 5 little monkeys ...

best thing about zoo memberships - some days you can just go watch the gorillas.


Cass - Sep 01, 2009 8:54:03 pm PDT #6592 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Maybe just that knowledge is valued and available.

Also that books are pretty. And to be coveted.

I'm glad we have a membership because it means we can go back.

Absolutely! That membership was one of my best purchases.

They still send me something every so often asking if I want to renew. I'd like to. Even though I live in OREGON now.

I wonder if my parents are paying them for the guilt trip.


Cass - Sep 01, 2009 8:55:18 pm PDT #6593 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

best thing about zoo memberships - some days you can just go watch the gorillas.

And the otters. Bad days can be cheered up immensely with some otter watching.


Atropa - Sep 01, 2009 9:10:57 pm PDT #6594 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

And the otters. Bad days can be cheered up immensely with some otter watching.

This is very true, and is why I wish we had a zoo membership. Hmm, maybe once Pete is done with the current art deadline, I will suggest a zoo trip. Otters!


P.M. Marc - Sep 01, 2009 9:24:51 pm PDT #6595 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Jilli, you can always borrow my Prime Card and go Zooing with me... (I think I've used up my guest passes, or else I'd just drag you.)


Atropa - Sep 01, 2009 9:34:57 pm PDT #6596 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Jilli, you can always borrow my Prime Card and go Zooing with me... (I think I've used up my guest passes, or else I'd just drag you.)

Oooh, okay! Because I really do like going to the zoo. Just, um, not as early as you usually do.


billytea - Sep 01, 2009 11:37:16 pm PDT #6597 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

One of the interesting things in the Freakanomics books was that having books in the house was a good indicator of how educated and successful the kid would be. But you didn't have to actually read them to the kid, or have regular story time or anything like that. There just needed to be books in the house for the statistical correlation. I'm not sure why. Maybe just that knowledge is valued and available.

It's quite possible. It may also be correlated with some other relevant factor, though as I recall, the study made a decent effort to control for the obvious ones like income and parents' education. Ryan, incidentally, isn't so interested in being read to yet, but he loves looking at the books on the shelves. (I'm ready for when he does want to be read to. We bought a collection of 20 Dr Seuss books a month or so ago, to go with the other books we've picked up along the way.

The upside of my day? Noah had a blast at the San Diego Zoo. We've been reading Not the Hippopotamus and we got to see Hippos at the zoo (along with polar bears, the new elephant exhibit which kind of rocks, koalas who were actually awake, lions (and the backstage area of the lion enclosure), monkeys, apes, and, his favorite flamingos! The zoo exhausts me. I'm glad we have a membership because it means we can go back.

I love hearing about San Diego Zoo visits. If you count the Wild Animal Park too, it is easily my favourite tourist attraction in - well, the entire United States. (Go on, act surprised.) It has mole rats! And Andean condors, that was just awesome.

At the Melbourne Zoo I saw koalas who were not only awake, but active. As in leaping from tree to tree. This is not something they often do. (It may be just as well the S.D. koalas weren't too active while I was there, because I managed to drop my camera battery into their enclosure. not sorry they left it alone until I could get a keeper's attention. I suspect they were rather more cavalier about retrieving it than if I'd dropped it in with the polar bears.)

I'm rather looking forward to taking Ryan to the Melbourne Zoo. First we'll be hitting the Healesville Sanctuary, an affiliated establishment that caters to Australian wildlife.

This is very true, and is why I wish we had a zoo membership. Hmm, maybe once Pete is done with the current art deadline, I will suggest a zoo trip. Otters!

Otters are always good value. One of the main attractions (for me) at the Philly Zoo was that they had giant otters. Otters longer than I am, quite something to see. Philly Zoo is also where the oldest echidna in captivity lived, reaching an age of 48 years.


flea - Sep 02, 2009 2:10:19 am PDT #6598 of 30001
information libertarian

In my (very limited) experience in Casper's school, which is Title 1 (receives federal funding due to 80+% of the students being poor) and heavily minority (85% last year, closer to 75% this year due to a zoning change), I totally cosign everything Kat says. Our school is well-funded, has great teachers, a small but involved PTO made up of university professors and similar income folks that raises money for extras like a community garden, and many of the poor kids in K are already struggling in school. (Kids like Casper are doing just fine.) What got me the most was the kid who wanted to hug me and hold my hand all morning - he clearly was just DYING for attention in his life. He was 3 years older than Dillo and only marginally more sophisticated to talk to. Georgia is well aware of the importance of universal PreK and funds it and 80% of kids in our town attend (it's not mandatory) but home means so much.


Allyson - Sep 02, 2009 2:44:00 am PDT #6599 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

A lot of the stuff Kat is talking about we try and begin to address with our preschool story times at the library. Free.

This is awesome. My mom was a 16 year old high school dropout when she was pregnant with me. I have no idea how or why, but I had tons of books. I was read to, and saw my parents read constantly. My mom's nose was always in a book or crossword puzzle. She taught me my ABCs and how to write my name on chalkboard.

And she was one of those poor teenaged mothers. So we did anything that was free. Story times at the library, museums when they had free days, and there was always a few bucks for crayons and drawing paper. We sang a lot to Beatles songs. I don't think she was making any particular effort to give me a leg up in the world, it's just stuff she liked to do, and it benefitted me.

Home means a hella lot, and I was ridiculously lucky to be born to parents who liked books, or I'd probably not live the life I have, with the nice neighborhood and the laptop and the book writin'.

This is very true, and is why I wish we had a zoo membership

This reminds me that next month is my niece's bday, and it's her turn for her own aquarium membership! Memberships to zoos and children's museums are awesome gifts people! Plus, kids like having their very own membership cards and "taking" grammy to see the turtles at the aquarium. They feel all grownup and stuff.


§ ita § - Sep 02, 2009 2:49:36 am PDT #6600 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Allyson, why are you up now?