Aren't they something. They're like butterflies, or little pieces of wrapping paper blowing around.

Kaylee ,'Shindig'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Aug 21, 2009 6:02:38 am PDT #4848 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

some of those bitches are cutthroat about getting to the finish line.

I would never get in the way of a drag queen sprinting. EVER.


Jessica - Aug 21, 2009 6:03:07 am PDT #4849 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

when it comes to certain physical endeavors (sprinting being one of them), women are not on a par, physically, with men

This is true of running in particular just because male and female hips are built so differently (since men don't have to, you know, GIVE BIRTH with theirs). Even if you match up everything else (height, weight, leg length, etc), there are basic mechanical differences in how men and women run.

(And obviously this brings up all sorts of messy issues when you consider athletes who don't fall neatly into either binary sex category, but if we as a society ever get to the point where "legal ability to be an Olympic medalist" is the most pressing issue in sex/gender discrimination, I think we'll be doing pretty well.)


Frankenbuddha - Aug 21, 2009 6:03:27 am PDT #4850 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

There was a Spanish runner a couple years ago who ended up banned from competing in women's races because of androgen insensitivity syndrome. 'Technically' she was an XY, physically she was female (missing a uterus), and had been young enough that her 'delayed' menarche had been attributed to lean body mass and training regimen. What a horrible way to find out something like that about yourself!

Didn't they use that in an episode of House (although I think they changed it to gymnastics)?


Barb - Aug 21, 2009 6:03:33 am PDT #4851 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

JZ, is there no Montessori alternative that's even remotely affordable? (Presuming, of course, that you'd even be down with the Montessori style.) Here it was $3K for four months, which at least breaks down to something more reasonable.


Vortex - Aug 21, 2009 6:03:41 am PDT #4852 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I would never get in the way of a drag queen sprinting. EVER.

HELL, no. I'm not afraid of much, but an angry drag queen gives me pause.


Steph L. - Aug 21, 2009 6:04:01 am PDT #4853 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

if we as a society ever get to the point where "legal ability to be an Olympic medalist" is the most pressing issue in sex/gender discrimination, I think we'll be doing pretty well.

Right on.


Cashmere - Aug 21, 2009 6:04:58 am PDT #4854 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Seska, We do ave FMLA--Family Medical Leave Act--which requies employers to let employees take 12 weeks UNPAID leave for family or medical reasons. Most employers here ue that or some use Short term disability insurance to give mothers a week or two of pay--AFTER the person exhausts ALL their paid vacation and/or sick leave. It's a crap system that means any family who can't afford any appreciable time without a paycheck to put wee babies in daycare immediately at considerable expense for the parents.

God bless the US of A. @@


Vortex - Aug 21, 2009 6:05:11 am PDT #4855 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Didn't they use that in an episode of House (although I think they changed it to gymnastics)?

They used it on an episode of "Mental", but it was a boy who'd had a botched circumcision that they raised as a girl.


Jessica - Aug 21, 2009 6:05:21 am PDT #4856 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

JZ, is there no Montessori alternative that's even remotely affordable? (Presuming, of course, that you'd even be down with the Montessori style.) Here it was $3K for four months, which at least breaks down to something more reasonable.

Not JZ, but in Brooklyn the Montessouri schools charge about the same as everyone else. i.e., A Whole Lot, If Not More.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 21, 2009 6:06:19 am PDT #4857 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

They used it on an episode of "Mental", but it was a boy who'd had a botched circumcision that they raised as a girl.

No, but I'm pretty sure they used that on House, since I've never watched Mental, and I remember the condition.