Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


smonster - Dec 14, 2009 4:14:25 pm PST #25082 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Fair point, -t.


Jesse - Dec 14, 2009 4:22:13 pm PST #25083 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And tonight's Intervention is about an alcoholic. Good times.


dcp - Dec 14, 2009 4:22:47 pm PST #25084 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

> We in fact all believed he was guilty, but it was so very Not Proven.

The one criminal trial I was on the jury for, there was a little room for reasonable doubt left when the prosecution rested. Then the defendant took the stand, and there was no doubt at all.

I am baffled by non-drinkers who have never been drinkers, I will admit. I have a hard time computing.

I never liked the taste of wine or beer, and what little effect I got from the alcohol was unpleasant also. Hard liquor -- it's all just lighter fluid to me.

I've always imagined that being buzzed or tipsy would be similar to how I feel when I have a fever over 100F (unfocused, light-headed, even dizzy), but I don't really know. I've seen thoroughly drunk, and it scares me.


§ ita § - Dec 14, 2009 4:28:17 pm PST #25085 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've never taken an upper stronger than caffeine (and even then, the only time I drank coffee more than once a week was when I was doped out on meds) and I'm really very sure that I don't want to take any uppers. But for some reason I have trouble parsing not wanting to be drunk without having already been drunk.

All told, as a child, it was probably simpler for me to get my hands on alcohol than on caffeine--we were served alcoholic drinks as children, but never coffee. But if it had occurred to me to ask, I wonder when I could have had some.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2009 4:29:47 pm PST #25086 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

It's probably somewhat similar to that feverish sensation, but generally pleasant and relaxing rather than icky as long as you don't push it to the point of nausea.

I've found that avoiding Goldschläger helps immensely with that last.


Sue - Dec 14, 2009 4:32:04 pm PST #25087 of 30001
hip deep in pie

Lie to me is all "Hey, it's that guy." tonight. Johnny from Deadwood, Felicia Day, and Miguel Ferrer.


P.M. Marc - Dec 14, 2009 4:33:56 pm PST #25088 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I've found that avoiding Goldschläger helps immensely with that last.

And if you DO do the Goldschlager, do what we did in college and at some point, decide you should file it with the cleaning supplies to avoid it next time.

But for some reason I have trouble parsing not wanting to be drunk without having already been drunk.

Yep. That's basically what I mean by non-drinkers who have never been drinkers. I understand trying and not liking. I don't understand not trying alcohol before deciding, barring a family history of addiction.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 14, 2009 4:38:15 pm PST #25089 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

And if you DO do the Goldschlager, do what we did in college and at some point, decide you should file it with the cleaning supplies to avoid it next time.

Seriously, I should buy some to keep on hand in case I ever accidentally swallow poison. It's better than ipecac.


sarameg - Dec 14, 2009 4:44:50 pm PST #25090 of 30001

Why is it when there is a catfight outside, my guys come running to ME looking alarmed, as if I'm the one howling?


beth b - Dec 14, 2009 4:45:40 pm PST #25091 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

drunk is more fuzzy , less dizzy than a fever. And done correctly - ( meaning slowly sipping in quiet convivial co) you can go from over wound to relaxed very quickly. And without side effects, because it doesn't take very much.