Angel: I can stay in town as long as you want me. Buffy: How's forever? Does forever work for you?

'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 11, 2009 11:09:35 am PST #24430 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

A cheetah?

Only if Nutty's got his back.


Trudy Booth - Dec 11, 2009 11:17:22 am PST #24431 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

OK, accepting the premise that the Duggars aren't part of the Quiverfull movement, it is unfair to attribute Quiverfull philosophy to them.

If you don't accept that premise then I guess whatever philosophy you want to attribute to them if fair game?

I don't feel comfortable saying "They believe X" (particularly something sort of militant if not outright nasty) without some sort of assertion on their part.

Now I'll go Google and try and find a cite one way or the other.


brenda m - Dec 11, 2009 11:23:01 am PST #24432 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

MSNBC - [link]

“They always ask, ‘Don’t you know what causes this? Are you Catholic or Mormon? Are they all yours? Are you a school group?’”

The Duggars are none of the above. They are members of an evangelical Christian movement called Quiverful, which holds that children are a blessing from God and that husbands and wives should gladly accept all the children they are given.

Couples in the movement also believe that the husband is the head of the household and the wife is submissive to him, while the children are submissive to both. The girls wear long dresses or skirts and tops, while the boys wear slacks and polo shirts.

The article and interview softpedal the full Quiverful philosophy, which is as bon describes.

ETA: An older article but one from the Quiverful movement itself: [link]


brenda m - Dec 11, 2009 11:31:20 am PST #24433 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Sorry for the linkspam:

Quiverfull takes its name from Psalm 127: "Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them.

Quiverfull advocates Rick and Jan Hess, authors of 1990's "A Full Quiver: Family Planning and the Lordship of Christ," envision the worldly gains such a method could bring, if more Christians began producing "full quivers" of "arrows for the war": control of both houses of Congress, the "reclamation" of sinful cities like San Francisco and massive boycotts of companies that do not comply with conservative Christian mores. "If the body of Christ had been reproducing as we were designed to do," the Hesses write, "we would not be in the mess we are today." Nancy Campbell, author of another movement book from 2003 called "Be Fruitful and Multiply," exhorts Christian women to do just that with promises of spiritual glory. "Oh what a vision," she writes, "to invade the earth with mighty sons and daughters who have been trained and prepared for God's divine purposes."

Newsweek: [link]


Jesse - Dec 11, 2009 11:48:11 am PST #24434 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

What's everyone doing this weekend? t /Perkins

Tomorrow I have a family thing with out-of-town relatives, and Sunday I have to try to do most of my Christmas shopping, with any luck between Lord & Taylor and Barnes & Noble. I only like two-named stores.


Calli - Dec 11, 2009 11:48:24 am PST #24435 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

If the body of Christ had been reproducing as we were designed to do

But . . . but . . . but Christ didn't reproduce at all, at least according to all but the Gnostic texts. Isn't the body of Christ supposed to be Christ-like?


flea - Dec 11, 2009 11:50:09 am PST #24436 of 30001
information libertarian

Pssst, Jesse loves ampersands!

I'm doing some Girl Scout thing with Casper tomorrow, and we will probably all go downtown to shop and have lunch (it is lit up and pretty). We're trying to get a sitter for Sunday so we can Christmas shop without the children. Bake cookies. Acquire almond flour someplace.


Connie Neil - Dec 11, 2009 11:50:22 am PST #24437 of 30001
brillig

Isn't the body of Christ supposed to be Christ-like?

Oh, don't we wish.


erikaj - Dec 11, 2009 11:51:20 am PST #24438 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!

yeah...from what I understand, early Christians prized celibacy, not your own football team.


Aims - Dec 11, 2009 11:55:16 am PST #24439 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

This weekend I will write, write, write, write, Girl Scout outing to nursing home, write, write, write, write, and then write some more.