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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2009 7:35:07 pm PDT #11496 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Cool apple. Horrible science journalism. (As always in the Telegraph, unnamed experts say the odds are a million to one.) [link]


Topic!Cindy - Sep 29, 2009 7:57:29 pm PDT #11497 of 30001
What is even happening?

Barb, I totally get where you're coming from, but this:

What I want most for my kids is for them to be kids and be kept safe from this sort of thing and frankly, I'm a little ashamed of myself that I... not so much let that slip, because as I already said, if anyone ever laid a finger on Abby or Nate, for that matter in such a matter, I'd probably kill, but that I let the victim's adult wishes supercede the child who was violated and all the children that can be protected in the future.

...for me? That gets to the heart of the matter. If, God forbid, something were to happen to one of your kids -- you (or they) wouldn't get the say on the punishment due the perpetrator. We don't let survivors and their families take the child rapists up into the hills, kill them, and bury their bones. The flip side of that sane system is not forgetting about imposing a legal sentence, even after the survivors and their families have had too much. We ask common, objective people to decide cases, because it's all too subjective for those who are involved.

The rule of law is important, maybe especially when it is difficult to uphold. There's a place for mercy, but not to the exclusion of justice.


Trudy Booth - Sep 29, 2009 8:13:22 pm PDT #11498 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Him staying away seemed to say that he felt he did nothing wrong and was being unfairly punished. Being brought in smells of a witchunt.

It says to me that he didn't want to go to jail. Even guilty people don't want to go to jail.

And he's being brought in because he finally entered a country that would extradite him and did so publicly enough that California sent over the paperwork in time. This isn't a witch hunt, its a matter of waiting until he slipped up.

I feel horribly for his victim having to continue to deal with the publicity of this. He, apparently, has felt just fine with letting her do so for three decades. Only one of us has the ability to change this fact for her.


SuziQ - Sep 29, 2009 10:00:07 pm PDT #11499 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

stooooooooooopid insomnia fairy.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Sep 29, 2009 10:07:43 pm PDT #11500 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

So, is everyone over there going, "WTF is wrong with Americans?"

I mean, more than usual?

Little bit.

We have a 'We love the NHS' campaign going on at the moment. It's the first time I've *ever* seen people stop complaining about our National Health Service and start being supportive of it. America - inspirational.

And then there were 220 posts and I skipped.


SuziQ - Sep 30, 2009 12:52:11 am PDT #11501 of 30001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

Gave up on trying to sleep and have gotten in an hours worth of work so far. Oh joy.


Sue - Sep 30, 2009 1:44:34 am PDT #11502 of 30001
hip deep in pie

Up early to call in sick. I think the fact that I had a coughing fit and lost my voice by the end of a 30 second voice mail message should convince my boss I'm not just trying to extend my holiday. Back to bed now.


Barb - Sep 30, 2009 2:54:00 am PDT #11503 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

If, God forbid, something were to happen to one of your kids -- you (or they) wouldn't get the say on the punishment due the perpetrator.

I know, Cindy, and you're right and the justice system is the way it is for a reason, even if a large part of me personally feels that the victim should get a larger say in a matter that concerns her. I feel as if the justice system failed her back then, because of the way it's set up, and now it feels like too little, too late, at least for her, but that in the end, it serves the greater good. Or should, in theory.

What it boils down to is I just wish the SOB had served his time back in the day.


Barb - Sep 30, 2009 2:54:43 am PDT #11504 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

In a separate post, Yay, CJ!

And ugh, Sue, hope you feel better.


tommyrot - Sep 30, 2009 3:20:50 am PDT #11505 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

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