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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


aurelia - Sep 29, 2009 4:41:00 pm PDT #11471 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Does anybody know anything about Golden Rule Insurance Co? Or the Freelancers Union?


Zenkitty - Sep 29, 2009 4:47:02 pm PDT #11472 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

My feelings on the Roman Polanski issue are represented fairly well by a post at Shakesville: Her Reasons Are Not Yours

That sums up my feelings pretty well, too, shrift. There's a lot more I could say, and have written, even, but I think I'll bite my tongue.

Dana! Job! Yay! You sound like you got what you wanted; I'm glad.


Sheryl - Sep 29, 2009 4:50:20 pm PDT #11473 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Congrats Dana!


JZ - Sep 29, 2009 4:53:48 pm PDT #11474 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Oh, Barb, I didn't mean to make you feel piled-on. But, yeah, I can't get around the fact that honoring the victim's desire to let it all be over and letting it go would mean (a) opening the door to letting a horrific number of domestic violence and child abuse cases go, and (b) sending a loud, clear signal that you can dodge the law forever with zero consequences if you're only rich and important enough.

He was convicted. He was facing sentencing. He fled the country because he was afraid the judge wasn't going to accept the plea bargain agreed upon between the prosecution and defense (which is a judge's prerogative) and he was too chickenshit to man up and go through the sentencing and then appeal if he felt the sentence was too harsh. He brought all of this on himself--and every second of the lack of closure the victim has had to go through, or will have to go through from now on, is his fault and no one else's.

Bleah. I just look at Matilda sitting on the floor all absorbed in her toddler TV and the mama bear brain goes pure HULK SMASH.


Nora Deirdre - Sep 29, 2009 4:55:27 pm PDT #11475 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

My feelings on the Roman Polanski issue are represented fairly well by a post at Shakesville: Her Reasons Are Not Yours

I liked this piece by Kate Harding in Salon's Broadsheet as well: [link]

et's keep in mind that Roman Polanski gave a 13-year-old girl a Quaalude and champagne, then raped her, before we start discussing whether the victim looked older than her 13 years, or that she now says she'd rather not see him prosecuted because she can't stand the media attention. Before we discuss how awesome his movies are or what the now-deceased judge did wrong at his trial, let's take a moment to recall that according to the victim's grand jury testimony, Roman Polanski instructed her to get into a jacuzzi naked, refused to take her home when she begged to go, began kissing her even though she said no and asked him to stop; performed cunnilingus on her as she said no and asked him to stop; put his penis in her vagina as she said no and asked him to stop; asked if he could penetrate her anally, to which she replied, "No," then went ahead and did it anyway, until he had an orgasm.

No. There is no way that I will ever give ground on this. Rape is rape is rape is CHILD RAPE for fuck's sake and I'm sorry, but the excuses bound up in our RAPE CULTURE are just fucking disgusting. It's not just Polanski, but it is an incredibly truthful way about how WE (as a culture) view rape.


Sue - Sep 29, 2009 5:00:17 pm PDT #11476 of 30001
hip deep in pie

at 13 she had had drugs before, had been drunk before and had already had sex twice, if I read that police interview correctly.

My sister moved away from our home town when she was ten, when she went back for the summer when she was 12, both of her best friends were pregnant. They did seem to be wilder times.

There was definitely some bad parenting going on, If I remember my tabloid TV correctly, I believe it was her mother who originally introduced her to Polanski, because she wanted her to be a star.

I've always thought Polanski needed to come forward as the only way to satisfactorily end this. Him staying away seemed to say that he felt he did nothing wrong and was being unfairly punished. Being brought in smells of a witchunt.


Nora Deirdre - Sep 29, 2009 5:03:35 pm PDT #11477 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Him staying away seemed to say that he felt he did nothing wrong and was being unfairly punished. Being brought in smells of a witchunt.

Then why did he plead guilty?


Sue - Sep 29, 2009 5:04:28 pm PDT #11478 of 30001
hip deep in pie

I feel lousier than ever. Too lousy to even watch TV. (Also, maybe it's the fever talking, but has GG gotten very stupid?) Stupid airplane was so hot. Flying with a cold is of the devil.


Sue - Sep 29, 2009 5:07:53 pm PDT #11479 of 30001
hip deep in pie

Then why did he plead guilty?

Again, vauge memories about what I read and saw years ago, but I don't think he was ever comfortable pleading guilty, but did so because that's what lawyers and other people advised. PArt of hsi whole thing about fleeing was that he after living in Communist Poland, he didn't trust the system.


brenda m - Sep 29, 2009 5:08:12 pm PDT #11480 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Him staying away seemed to say that he felt he did nothing wrong and was being unfairly punished.

So noted legal scholar Roman Polanski, a middle-aged man who had repeated 'relationships' with adolescent girls, didn't feel that drugging and forcing one of them was really so bad or worthy of punishment. Okay. Why are we taking his word for it again?