So, how was your summer? Mine was fun. Saw some fish. Went mad with hunger. Hallucinated a whole bunch.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Sep 29, 2009 2:55:14 pm PDT #11428 of 30001

Added irony to trashcan theft: tonight is the quarterly community meeting and I just realized I am missing it.


tommyrot - Sep 29, 2009 2:55:33 pm PDT #11429 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Bacon Shoes

Unrelatedly, Hipsters of the Universe -- Artist Reinterprets He-Man Characters as Cool Kids

What would He-Man look like if he was really into fashion and indie rock? What if Skeletor was an American Apparel model living in Williamsburg, Brooklyn? What if She-Ra was an art school dropout that spent her time bar-hopping in the Lower East Side?

For the past few months artists Adrian Riemann has been creating a master work that answers these questions. Essentially, Riemann has remixed the characters of the popular 1980s "Masters of the Universe" cartoon series as highfalutin, Justice and Kid Cudi listening, circa 2009 hipsters. On top of that, he styled the characters in designer clothing as if this was a fashion spread in a magazine.


Barb - Sep 29, 2009 2:59:20 pm PDT #11430 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

I have a very hard time believing that even among the Hollywood beautiful people in the anything-goes 1970s, that drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl who repeatedly said "No" would be an accepted more.

Again, also trying to tap into a 70s mindset, it might as easily been seen as part of "the game" with men thinking that even when a girl/woman said "no" she really meant "oh yeah, I really want it, I'm just trying to tease."

Again, just speculation on my part based on what I know and have read of the time period.

My biggest issue is that they're continuing to make the victim a victim, when she clearly no longer wants to be seen as such.

No, HE is. His actions kept her in the limelight. He's at fault.

Okay, yes, from this standpoint, I definitely understand where you're coming from. It just keeps feeling to me that she's ready to let it lie but it won't go away because individuals who are beyond her control won't let it lie. And perhaps it shouldn't. But it also puts her in a similar position of not having any power over her own destiny that's as demoralizing as the inciting incident itself. As I've said over and over again, I just don't know. And yes, I have my own reasons for putting myself in her shoes and empathizing with her mindset.


§ ita § - Sep 29, 2009 3:05:02 pm PDT #11431 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Again, also trying to tap into a 70s mindset, it might as easily been seen as part of "the game" with men thinking that even when a girl/woman said "no" she really meant "oh yeah, I really want it, I'm just trying to tease."

The age of consent was 16. 13 year olds didn't get to tease. Period.


Java cat - Sep 29, 2009 3:06:45 pm PDT #11432 of 30001
Not javachik

20 dead? Yikes.

Yeah, there are tsunami warnings all over the Pacific, including Calif./Oregon coast.

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Jesse - Sep 29, 2009 3:07:54 pm PDT #11433 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good luck, Dana!


JenP - Sep 29, 2009 3:25:33 pm PDT #11434 of 30001

Good thoughts for a great offer, Dana!


Lee - Sep 29, 2009 3:26:11 pm PDT #11435 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Good salary-ma!


Barb - Sep 29, 2009 3:28:27 pm PDT #11436 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

You know, I am sorry I waded into this one. I'm honestly not trying to defend the man--what he did was reprehensible and I can honestly say that if anyone did anything like that to Abby, it would be me in prison. Period. No questions asked. However, I do think that while at one time this might have been a black and white case with very clear parameters, the passage of time has added layers and rendered those parameters somewhat moot. Or at least, shaded them with a whole lot of gray. And where the majority of those shades of gray come in for me are not so much for Polanski, but with respect to the victim. If she said, "Yes, please, convict him, bring him to justice," as the adult she is now, I'd be there waving a flag and saying, "Hell yeah." But she's said repeatedly now, as an adult, that she doesn't. Prosecuting Polanski may be the right thing to do by the letter of the law, but is it the right thing to do for the victim.

I'm going to leave it alone now. Promise.


Dana - Sep 29, 2009 3:31:12 pm PDT #11437 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Got the job! It's all good!