Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.

Cordelia ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Scrappy - Sep 24, 2009 10:51:53 am PDT #10729 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I definitely think it's okay to use an example if you do not name the student and are speaking objectively and not personally. Say "This {example} is not acceptable" as opposed to something like "The person who wrote this is an clearly an idiot." And you have to do it the FIRST time it happens or it will keep happening. I was told when I started teaching that it was good to over-enforce rules in the first few weeks, because that shows kids there ARE rules and once they know that they stop pushing as hard and you can relax more and I found that to be very true.

But with some behaviors, you have to make an example of the student in public--if a kid, for example, says something insulting about another kid, I think it's fine to call that kid out on it right that second in front of the class.


Kathy A - Sep 24, 2009 10:52:26 am PDT #10730 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Passive voice.

Thank you!! I really need to take a nap--I've been walking around in a fog all day, after it took me several minutes to get out of my bed at 10:00 (very nearly came in to work past my very liberal flex starting time for the first time in years).


Cashmere - Sep 24, 2009 10:52:39 am PDT #10731 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I ended a sentence in a preposition, didn't I? EAT IT, hard and fast rules!

I snorted Diet Coke.


Aims - Sep 24, 2009 10:53:59 am PDT #10732 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Effing hate the passive voice rule. Sometimes, there's no choice BUT passive voice.

Sis has a BIG SIGN in her room with the classroom rules on it. It says, "USE ENGLISH".


Jessica - Sep 24, 2009 10:54:03 am PDT #10733 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Hmph. Sometimes the passive voice is called for.


msbelle - Sep 24, 2009 10:54:13 am PDT #10734 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

and now I can go home feeling good about myself.


aurelia - Sep 24, 2009 10:55:36 am PDT #10735 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I guess I'd define good pedagogy as getting through to as many students as possible. When you're teaching to the group, it's sure as hell difficult to modify your teaching style for one student. Not that it shouldn't be done in some circumstances, but it's difficult.

I haven't taught to large classes, so I'm sure it's been easier for me, but sometimes it can be a simple as rephrasing an idea. The hardest part is to get kids to speak up if they don't understand.


Steph L. - Sep 24, 2009 10:56:24 am PDT #10736 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Sometimes the passive voice is called for.

Like when you can't actually name your boss as the one who fucked up: "The tracking sheet for that manuscript was not filled out," when the only person who is supposed to fill the sheets out is your boss.

(Where "your" = "my.")

Passive voice lets you point the finger without actually saying your boss didn't do his job.


Kathy A - Sep 24, 2009 10:57:23 am PDT #10737 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Sometimes the passive voice is the only choice, but in the example of that English paper, it really didn't work, just made the point I was trying to make very confusing.

He did love the title of the paper, though--that was the one that I wrote on Wordsworth's take on memory while musing on the River Wye, and called it "Misty Water Colored Memories of the Wye We Were."


Vortex - Sep 24, 2009 11:00:02 am PDT #10738 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I may have misunderstood, but it sounded to me like the teacher did not explicitly say before the quiz that any use of textspeak or otherwise nonformal language would lead to a zero on the entire quiz.

I don't think that you should have to tell your students not to use textspeak on assignments. This student knows not to write an exam like she's talking to her friends, and she should know not to use textspeak in formal writing.

I admit to having some issue with failing the student because of one question, but I totally see where she was coming from. As I said, I would have given the student a chance to take a makeup exam.