Has anyone seen any non-white birthers? I'm wondering if "not really American" is just their way of saying, "not one of us white folks" without getting automatically dubbed racists.

Birthers would be funny if they didn't seem to be gaining traction in the mainstream.

I think the right wing is particularly susceptible to the crazy these days. There is such an anti-media streak that some of them only trust the echo chamber right wing media. I've run into this with relatives. You can't trust any source except FOX shows, because CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, AP, Reuters, BBC, etc... are all liberal. And don't even mention NPR.

I'm wondering if "not really American" is just their way of saying, "not one of us white folks"

It's exactly this.

Sullivan quoting ALex Knapp:

While traditional adherence to quaint philosophic concepts might make it appear that the evidence overwhelmingly favors the conclusion that Barack Obama is a United States citizen, it is clear that this cannot be the case so long as we don’t pay any attention to the idea that there is an objective reality.

Cognitive Realism, the Law of Attraction, and Norse Mythology all provide plausible philosophic justification for ignoring evidence and logic. Accordingly, because Obama’s claim to American citizenship is only supported by evidence and logic, he must not be an American citizen. Thus, Barack Obama is not eligible to be President of the United States.

It’s perfectly logical.

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ION, should I post something really stupid and offensive that Limbaugh said, or would that just needlessly raise people's blood pressure?

ION, should I post something really stupid and offensive that Limbaugh said, or would that just needlessly raise people's blood pressure?

It'll totally spike my blood pressure, but it's what I live for.

Cognitive Realism, the Law of Attraction, and Norse Mythology all provide plausible philosophic justification for ignoring evidence and logic.

Hey, now. Don't go hanging any of this crap on Odin.

It'll totally spike my blood pressure, but it's what I live for.

Okey-dokey:

Read the first four Limbaugh quotes, then compare them to the last quote:

Limbaugh On Torture: A Recap

"Now, you stop and think about this: 183 times, six times a day, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was waterboarded. His lawyers never complained. He didn't complain to whatever civil rights organizations there were. And I'll tell you, the bottom -- if somebody can be water-tortured six times a day, then it isn't torture," - April 20, 2009.

"I just slapped myself! *SLAP* *SLAP* *SLAP* I'm torturing myself, right now! That's torture! *SLAP* According to these people," - April 17, 2009.

"For the longest time McCain said torture doesn't work then he admitted in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last summer that he was broken by North Vietnamese. So what are we to think here?" - April 17, 2009.

"[Abu Ghraib] is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time. You know, these people are being fired at every day. I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?" - May 4, 2004.

"And there are people in this country, who are Americans, and have the same view of totalitarianism that all the worst regimes in the world have had. They just are a minority -- or have been a minority. And they have to be stealth to get anywhere, because who's gonna vote for torture, who's gonna vote for tyranny, who's gonna vote for dictatorship? But we did. We did, and you see it slowly encroaching. And if they could move faster on this, they would." - July 26, 2009.

I'm wondering if "not really American" is just their way of saying, "not one of us white folks"

I think it is a mix of things. He's about as threatening as it gets. He's a multicultural, global thinking, intellectual. The antithesis of far right. If he was also a gay atheist, we'd probably have states actually seceding.

Haven't even Bill O., the Coulterbeast, and Michelle Malkin said that the birthers are batshit crazy?

According to Salon, only Rush seems to be waiting for all the facts to come in or something. [link]

He's a multicultural, global thinking, intellectual. The antithesis of far right. If he was also a gay atheist, we'd probably have states actually seceding.

I just snorted green tea up my nose.