Most people is pretty quiet right about now. Me, I see a stiff -- one I didn't have to kill myself -- I just get, the urge to, you know, do stuff. Like work out, run around, maybe get some trim if there's a willin' woman about... not that I get flush from corpses or anything. I ain't crazy.

Jayne ,'The Message'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - Sep 22, 2009 4:58:30 pm PDT #10257 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

It's because of people like you that we can't have a set date for the Rapture.

I'm definitely one they wouldn't want to see get in under the wire due to a technicality.

Or should I say other, even crazier Buffy fans...

Heh. It's always best to qualify that one.

I'm currently working on Owen's school fundraiser stuff. Trying to just hit up people I've been purchasing off for years. Considering the "buyout" option.


Vortex - Sep 22, 2009 6:06:55 pm PDT #10258 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I've seen numerous cocks, both in porn and in person. None of them made me gay. Watching Rachel Maddow pwn Pat Buchanan may have done so, however.

but that makes you lesbian, which doesn't count.


Lee - Sep 22, 2009 7:19:26 pm PDT #10259 of 30001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Oops.

Hi!


Gudanov - Sep 22, 2009 7:25:49 pm PDT #10260 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

The cock viewing advice on turning gay is confusing.

From Dr. Dobson.

[link]

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

Based on my work with adult homosexuals, I try to avoid the necessity of a long and sometimes painful therapy by encouraging parents, particularly fathers, to affirm their sons' maleness. Parental education, in this area and all others, can prevent a lifetime of unhappiness and a sense of alienation. When boys begin to relate to their fathers, and begin to understand what is exciting, fun and energizing about their fathers, they will learn to accept their own masculinity. They will find a sense of freedom—of power—by being different from their mothers, outgrowing them as they move into a man's world. If parents encourage their sons in these ways, they will help them develop masculine identities and be well on their way to growing up straight. In 15 years, I have spoken with hundreds of homosexual men. I have never met one who said he had a loving, respectful relationship with his father.18


Dana - Sep 22, 2009 7:33:39 pm PDT #10261 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

In 15 years, I have spoken with hundreds of homosexual men. I have never met one who said he had a loving, respectful relationship with his father.

Oh, fuck you, Dobson. Fuuuuuuck you.


§ ita § - Sep 22, 2009 7:57:28 pm PDT #10262 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I see that and I think of the show where John Barrowman was investigating the roots of his homosexuality and he showed how wonderful his relationship with his parents was.

Not that I don't personally know gay guys who love their fathers and are loved back, but it is vivid to me.


javachik - Sep 22, 2009 11:45:09 pm PDT #10263 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I'd love to show that quote to my hairdresser. My hairdresser who goes on cruises with his boyfriend, his dad and his mom. Every year. And his dad often comes in the shop while my hair is getting done, to just sit and chat with his son. His gay son. Dobson and his ilk make me want to puke all over their shoes.


Laura - Sep 23, 2009 1:41:15 am PDT #10264 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

They will find a sense of freedom—of power—by being different from their mothers, outgrowing them as they move into a man's world.

...

Dobson and his ilk make me want to puke all over their shoes.

Yeah, that.


Theodosia - Sep 23, 2009 3:22:08 am PDT #10265 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

There's a smidge of selection bias in that statement -- of course, Dobson only comes into contact with self-hating Christian gays whose parents have rejected them... but there's also a big portion of unquestioning idiocy.


billytea - Sep 23, 2009 3:28:35 am PDT #10266 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

There's a smidge of selection bias in that statement -- of course, Dobson only comes into contact with self-hating Christian gays whose parents have rejected them... but there's also a big portion of unquestioning idiocy.

I would go so far as to suggest it says less about the gay men that Dobson associates with as it does about the fathers of gay men that Dobson associates with. (Though I am now curious whether he makes a habit of asking men, gay or straight, whether their fathers made a habit of taking them into the showers.)