That's kind of my point: if all the Avengers show up in Marvel's Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D., then it wouldn't be MASHIELD, it'd be an Avenger's TV show. I could see, based on the title, SJ or JR making a guest appearance, seeing as they are or at least were agents of SHIELD. And maybe there will be moments where it would make sense for another Avenger to show up. Maybe we'll get that logical moment with a guest appearance/cameo, but maybe we'll just end up with a verbal reference, either due to scheduling/budget constraints, or to contraints dictated by the premise. I'm not watching the show for glimpses of Chris Evans or RDJ (I'm watching for Clark Gregg's cheekbones).

We are getting Black Widow and Cap together.

HELL YES WE ARE.

Ahem.

I imagine some larger name will show up for sweeps or the midseason cliffhanger.

I just had a chance to watch it. I liked i just fine. I'm ok with the team. I think the blanker characters just haven't been filled out yet. I can keep loving it for Coulson and May alone, the the geek twins are terribly cute!

And bonus Sam Jackson! What's not to love!

We are getting Black Widow and Cap together

Because she'll never get a tier 1 movie (prove me wrong, Marvel, I dare you! Also use the same standards you used for Captain America, for Christ's sake). She's not a draw of Avengers--it's Cap and Thor and primarily Iron Man. This is a sop to the people who wanted Elektra to not be so horrendously awful.

I like ScarJo as Black Widow more than I've ever liked her in anything else, but that's a low bar since in general, she is not my cup of tea. (Can't let my Lost in Translation hate go. Never forget!) So, I'm actually really OK with her not showing up on my shiny, new TV show. I suppose I wouldn't mind Jeremy Renner. He's usually a good time. But I also don't think it's essential. I'm cool with getting to know these new people and so far the name dropping and sly references are clever rather than cloying. I'm really glad that there are no supes floating around. I think it works from a story standpoint, and I'd also be worried about winding up with lousy effects on a TV budget.

I don't blame ScarJo for Black Widow being a crap action hero, but some people stack the deck in their favour by just existing (cf aforementioned Jennifer Garner, Michelle Rodriguez, Kelly Hu) and some people execute crisply enough that I nod and go with the ride (Ming-Na Wen, say).

But I've never been impressed with her acting anyway.

Earlier I found this funny exchange with Ming-Na:

HitFix: As a last question: This is very important... If you are writing or texting to friends or loved ones about this show, do you include all of the darned periods in "S.H.I.E.L.D."?

Ming-Na Wen: [Long period of laughter.] Oh gosh. I'd have to say "No." You know, that's five extra types! But yeah. They do stand for something! It is an acronym.

HitFix: Absolutely. I'm just sharing the frustration of being a writer and a headline writer who has to deal with this one.

Ming-Na Wen: See, you *have* to do it. [She laughs more.] We all have a job to do, Dan. You're on a higher level of accuracy than I am in that area.

The big thing for me was that Melinda May (and Mind Na) got to shine, as I'd been fervently hoping she would. Everything else was gravy once they gave me that.

I'm in it for Coulson and May, at this point. I'm fine with none of the established superheroes showing up. The references are enough.

It gets hot in the jungle. So hot. Steamy.

This made me think of "Decontam scene."