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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Polter-Cow - Jan 08, 2010 10:35:39 pm PST #2535 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Boyd??? I mean, they're giving Lennix something to do, finally, and that's great, but DUDE. How long has this been the plan?

Suddenly the fact that we never got jack-shit about his backstory or where he came from and the fact that Joss said we wouldn't find out until the end of season two at the earliest make a whole lot more sense.

For a second there it was sweet that it turned out he'd been spending a lot of time at home bumping uglies with Dr. Saunders. But inbetween swapping spit, they were planning a takedown, but still being a father figure for Echo.

Ah right, so Saunders wasn't a sleeper agent, just a Boyd agent.

Man, I don't even know what to think anymore. What the fuck.


Typo Boy - Jan 08, 2010 10:48:27 pm PST #2536 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

So Boyd is an ex-cop and co-owner of Rossum? Or just Rossum security?

Does Rossum have a plan to prevent the fall of civilization? Cause, not the best business plan. Or they just in denial, like AGW deniers?


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Jan 09, 2010 1:13:45 am PST #2537 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

I don't know why I keep letting Joss (and Tim) do this to me.

Well, apart from how awesome they are at it.

Boyd. Imprinted so he doesn't know who he is, or working with full knowledge? Either way, HSQ overload.


§ ita § - Jan 09, 2010 1:20:12 am PST #2538 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If Topher has an imprint (and perhaps Boyd) it's a technology that doesn't respond to a remote wipe. Topher in particular would have fallen before they made it directional.


Juliebird - Jan 09, 2010 6:32:52 am PST #2539 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Joss said we wouldn't find out until the end of season two at the earliest make a whole lot more sense.

except I thought that statement referred to Ballard, not Boyd.

So I'm rewatching E1 (is this still a spoilerfont?) and there's a scene with Claire that's well after she shot Bennet, and she's being all do-no-harm and caring about Topher, so maybe she *had* been a sleeper agent and they since removed that or reset her. She did seem to be super guilty, and if Bennet's death is what really sent him over the edge, and not the world-ending-responsibility, yeah. No. I'm so confused.

Also, I'm speculating that in light of Tony and Priya having their original selves back and all lovey-dovey, and in E1 Victor seems to be disinterested and Priya reminding herself that their thing is over, that Priya is still herself, but Victor got wiped and reset without his love for her... which makes no sense as theirs was the love that transcended space, time, bodies and personalities. Yeah, still confused.

Also trying to figure out where, in E1, the scene of Mr. Ambrose in Victor eating lobster in the kitchen fits into the timeline. Because it was an ultimatum of "if you take me out of this body, I'll see what side your on, and it's war". The whole new direction of permanent body upgrades. That would have had to have been before Victor's release and our introduction to Tony. And still, you know...


Polter-Cow - Jan 09, 2010 7:52:04 am PST #2540 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

except I thought that statement referred to Ballard, not Boyd.

I can't find the exact cite, but the Wiki says:

Joss Whedon has stated that there is a reason that Boyd is in the Dollhouse and that later episodes/seasons will explore exactly why this morally strict ex-cop has agreed to work for such a morally shady corporation.

Which sounds like what I was thinking of, but I can't find where he said that.


Juliebird - Jan 09, 2010 8:46:44 am PST #2541 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I know (second-hand) most recently that there were comments made by Tahmoh at a convention and how he knew nothing about his own character to inform his acting choices and was frustrated by that, but I have a strong memory of an article or interview with possibly Joss saying that we wouldn't find out what Ballard's motivations for pursuing the dollhouse and what makes him tick until many moons/seasons later. It works for Boyd, though, very perfectly, so I could be misremembering, or it could have been said for both!


Shir - Jan 09, 2010 9:44:47 am PST #2542 of 5827
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

What?

Also, what? And again, what THAT was?

I'm sorry. Not all fit with what I thought I knew.

And also, there's a big, loving hug on this corner of the world for Topher. Poor boy.


Cass - Jan 09, 2010 6:10:38 pm PST #2543 of 5827
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

And nice cameo by Eliza's boytoy, there.

Ah, thank you. I couldn't figure out why he looked familiar before.


Vortex - Jan 09, 2010 10:36:06 pm PST #2544 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I hate him. He's a shitty basketball player and a big ball of bitch on the court. I lost respect for Eliza when I found out she was dating him.