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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Laga - Oct 05, 2009 4:43:29 pm PDT #2092 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I doubt the effectiveness of a fan campaign. Ssorry, Kevin. I know how much it hurts when a show you love gets cancelled but I think I'd be happy if Dollhouse went off the air because I'd like to see Joss do something else now.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 05, 2009 9:59:03 pm PDT #2093 of 5827
What is even happening?

Right? Because where's the emotional resonance?


§ ita § - Oct 05, 2009 10:05:52 pm PDT #2094 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess I'd rather see Joss do what makes him happy than what makes me happy, so if this is where he finds his resonance, so be it. I don't feel any urge to help him. I don't know what it would take to get me to raise another finger--just too disillusioned with the whole deal.


Allyson - Oct 06, 2009 8:58:43 am PDT #2095 of 5827
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I think, if one is contemplating a campaign, the first question should be, "Does anyone working on this show want it to continue?"

If the answer is yes, I would ask myself, "Are they bullshitting me?"

At which point I'd find a new hobby.


JZ - Oct 06, 2009 10:06:50 am PDT #2096 of 5827
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I got myself good and burnt out on save-our-show efforts early, back in '94 with My So-Called Life (ah, those weird days of practically no internet, when you had to try to save a show by surreptitiously xeroxing flyers at work [with the actual phone numbers and physical addresses of all the people to contact] and then spend a whole weekend running around posting them on every coffee house bulletin board in the city. Good times, good times!).

I'm just weirdly sad at how not-surprised I am. Unlike a lot of Buffistas, I really found last Friday's episode emotionally engaging and dark and messy and I loved Echo's affirmation at the end that she wants to hold onto the pain all her other selves are made to feel, doesn't want their experiences erased even if it's a sorrowful burden, that even a sorrowful burden is infinitely preferable to perfect blankness. Loved it, and have been wanting to rewatch that last scene, and I swear that the instant the credits rolled my very first thought was, Well, that was really thoughtful and interesting and the whole show is now headed someplace complex and rich. I bet it gets canceled in two weeks.


Laga - Oct 06, 2009 10:24:32 am PDT #2097 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I don't think a show can succeed without advertising and I haven't seen any for Dollhouse this fall.


erikaj - Oct 06, 2009 10:35:08 am PDT #2098 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

I have been part of a successful show campaign, but I'm not sure if it counts as it was to HBO. But I got to call NY and use my Educated White Girl Voice...good times. Alas, I can't recommend my letter as a template, either, because I think I just wrote "My dog died and we lost the election and may I please, please, have my show back?" Begging-ass Bitch might work better for premium subscribers. I think I made up some bullshit Netflix rental statistics too, about how I had to wait weeks and weeks for The Wire season 2(who says you can't learn from TV? I learned to juke the stats. And to put bullet points in my letter...network executives, like commanders, like dots.)


Kristen - Oct 06, 2009 11:17:46 am PDT #2099 of 5827

I don't think a show can succeed without advertising and I haven't seen any for Dollhouse this fall.

See, I don't think that's entirely fair.

You can blame lack of advertising for people not showing up Week 1 because they didn't know it was there/back. But you can't blame lack of advertising for people watching one week and then not coming back the next. And, personally, I think it's that fact (that, every week, the show loses some of its audience) more than just overall numbers that hurts the show's chances of survival.


Steph L. - Oct 06, 2009 11:17:56 am PDT #2100 of 5827
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Sady from Tiger Beatdown in Dollhouse: "Dear Joss Whedon, thank you for your interest in Feminism, but we cannot make any hiring decisions at this time."

On AD:

Alexis Denisof is on the show now. Hi, Alexis Denisof! Missed you! Here is a fun fact about Alexis Denisof: although he is from the States – I know this! I have Googled! – he has, for some reason, the most unconvincing American accent I have ever heard. Brit it up, Wesley! You know you want to!


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 06, 2009 11:42:37 am PDT #2101 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

One bit from that article:

But! Even after her mind is erased! She still wants her son baaaaaack! Because the Maternal Instinct has magical science-defying powers of undying devotion which are purely biological and not at all circumstantial or different from woman to woman, which is why all moms love their children in precisely the same way and there have never been any abusive, neglectful or indifferent mothers anywhere ever.

We've actually seen before that some emotions and experiences can bleed through to the actives even after they've been memory-wiped. And while yes, all people are individuals and bond to children or not in their own way, yadda yadda, in general maternal protective instinct has a pretty solid claim on being the strongest and most primal emotion/experience people go through. It routinely takes the self preservation instinct into an alley, beats it up, and takes its lunch money when the two come into conflict. This is why you hear about abused women who won't lift a finger to protect themselves sending husbands or boyfriends to the ICU with frying pan-shaped dents in their skulls or lit gasoline exfoliation once their kids are endangered. So it doesn't seem that much of a stretch that that would be the element of an imprint to successfully resist erasure.