Lorne: My little prince. Oh…what did they do to you? Angel: Nina…tried to…eat me. Lorne: Oh, you're--medic! You're gonna make it Angel. Just don't stop fighting. Doctor! Is there a Gepetto in the house?

'Smile Time'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Typo Boy - May 16, 2009 8:12:40 am PDT #1709 of 5827
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I can think of a lot of shows I'd rather have than Dollhouse. But unfortunately trading was never an option.


§ ita § - May 16, 2009 8:53:19 am PDT #1710 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm still stunned by the renewal. Is this a reaction to an unpredictable market, or are DVR numbers really starting to matter to network execs? That would mean I'm being counted. Cool.


Polter-Cow - May 16, 2009 9:17:08 am PDT #1711 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I was playing SCC on my DVR straight through every weekend to be counted more! I never bothered with Dollhouse.


victor infante - May 16, 2009 11:49:51 am PDT #1712 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I'm still stunned by the renewal. Is this a reaction to an unpredictable market, or are DVR numbers really starting to matter to network execs? That would mean I'm being counted. Cool.

I'm sure there's a number of forces at play, and that potential DVD sales, DVR and online viewings and licensing fees are all in the mix.

But I can't help but wonder if Fox's development deal with Dushku is part of the answer. I don't know all the terms of her deal, obviously, but a development deal usually infers that, if they cancel "Dollhouse," they'll be obliged to develop something else for her, and why bother with that when there's a salvageable vehicle in front of them. Especially when that will probably be more expensive overall, and that it will likely be more risky to introduce another new show into a volatile market.

So, yeah. "Dollhouse" gets another 13 episodes, which isn't exactly a full order, and Fox gets to push off ordering new pilots for a few more months, when the economic climate has hopefully improved. And if "Dollhouse" succeeds, them, well, that's awesome for everybody.


§ ita § - May 16, 2009 11:52:24 am PDT #1713 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

they'll be obliged to develop something else

Not with the usual development deal. It's more like they've bought her time, and she can't work for anyone else. I know people who've gotten development deals but not even a pilot.


beth b - May 16, 2009 11:52:39 am PDT #1714 of 5827
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

so I gave u on SCC -- too soon? I just couldn't care about it.


Polter-Cow - May 16, 2009 12:14:06 pm PDT #1715 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

beth, I thought it got better and better in the first season and then got really awesome in the second (though it was a little uneven in the beginning).


victor infante - May 16, 2009 3:09:04 pm PDT #1716 of 5827
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I know people who've gotten development deals but not even a pilot.

This is true. But like I said, it depends on the terms. I have a feeling they want to see a return on their investment with her. Badly.


tiggy - May 16, 2009 3:38:19 pm PDT #1717 of 5827
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Brian Austin Green was severely underused in season two, but other than that? good stuff.


Kevin - May 17, 2009 5:03:26 am PDT #1718 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Eliza's deal expires soon so I doubt that was a factor. You could argue ROI, but I'd argue they got that with Dollhosue. The first 9 episodes all ranked high in the Nielsen C3 charts, which is indicative it performed fine for advertisers. Until the last few episodes, where it started to drop off a cliff.

Most of the series was profitable, I'm told, all said and done for FOX (network). They didn't spend $10m on the pilot (Firefly), which radically alters the landscape in terms of profitability. Add DVD, new media, international sales (20 countries now) and licensing for the studio and it will be extremely profitable for them. That's why 20th are taking more of the financial burden for 2nd season, away from the network.

I was stunned at the time it got renewed, if I'm honest. But I since found out the 13th episode got presented as a template for how to shoot cheaper - they shot it on a budget of about 1/3rd of the usual show cost. If they can hold the audience they have left, it'll stay profitable, so it'll stay around.

By the way, the deal that has been cut includes the option to order another back 9. Premiere is fall.